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41 minutes ago, Sundog said:

How much difference can there be between ground level and 2 meters?

I remember when we had our burst of snow last week in the morning, my thermometer showed 33 degrees but I had a small puddle of water on a garden supplies container frozen. 

Lots of variables factor into this, like surface type, time of year, time of day but it can be more of a difference than people realize.

2 hours ago, bluewave said:

We have 10 days to see if places like NYC can have their first freeze of the season. Stations like HPN and ISP still haven’t had their first hard freeze at 28. Even more rural locations like FWN still haven’t dropped below 20°. So all of our stations are still in the top 5 warmest fall lows due to how warm North America has been this fall.

To that point, my lowest temp of the season occurred this morning and its only 25. Most years I'd have some lows in the teens by now. 

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3 minutes ago, IrishRob17 said:

To that point, my lowest temp of the season occurred this morning and its only 25. Most years I'd have some lows in the teens by now. 

For non-radiating locations right on the Hudson from northern Westchester to southern Dutchess, this fall has felt just about normal for the past 20 years. It's been consistently cool and not cold with a lot of wind. That should skew the radiating spots warm but less so the river towns.

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1 minute ago, eduggs said:

For non-radiating locations right on the Hudson from northern Westchester to southern Dutchess, this fall has felt just about normal for the past 20 years. It's been consistently cool and not cold with a lot of wind. That should skew the radiating spots warm but less so the river towns.

Agreed, the wind is certainly a factor as well as the timing of clouds moving in/out. There is no way to pin my stats on any one reason, they just are what they are.  

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26 minutes ago, IrishRob17 said:

Lots of variables factor into this, like surface type, time of year, time of day but it can be more of a difference than people realize.

To that point, my lowest temp of the season occurred this morning and its only 25. Most years I'd have some lows in the teens by now. 

2018 and 2019 was really the last time we had any widespread significant November cold for much of the region. 


Lowest November temperatures across the region

Monthly Data for November 2025 for Upton NY NWS CWA 
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NY MONTGOMERY ORANGE COUNTY AP WBAN 24
CT MERIDEN MARKHAM MUNICIPAL AP WBAN 24
NY PORT JERVIS COOP 25
NJ CHARLOTTEBURG RESERVOIR COOP 25
CT OXFORD WATERBURY WBAN 25
NY CARMEL 4N COOP 25
NY UPTON COOP - NWSFO NEW YORK COOP 25
NY SHRUB OAK COOP 26
CT DANBURY MUNICIPAL AP WBAN 26
NY BAITING HOLLOW COOP 26
CT GUILFORD COOP 26
CT GROTON NEW LONDON AP WBAN 26
CT DANBURY COOP 27
CT NEW HAVEN TWEED AP WBAN 27
NY SHIRLEY BROOKHAVEN AIRPORT WBAN 27
CT NORWICH PUBLIC UTILITY PLANT COOP 27
NY ST. JAMES COOP 28
NY WESTCHESTER CO AP WBAN 29
NJ CALDWELL ESSEX COUNTY AP WBAN 30
NY SYOSSET COOP 30
NJ HARRISON COOP 31
NY FARMINGDALE REPUBLIC AP WBAN 31
CT IGOR I SIKORSKY MEMORIAL AIRPORT WBAN 31
NY ISLIP-LI MACARTHUR AP WBAN 31
NJ TETERBORO AIRPORT WBAN 32
NJ TETERBORO AIRPORT COOP 32
NY CENTERPORT COOP 32
NY RIVERHEAD RESEARCH FARM COOP 32
NJ NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP WBAN 33
NY NY CITY CENTRAL PARK WBAN 33
NY JFK INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT WBAN 33
NY LAGUARDIA AIRPORT WBAN 34
NY ORIENT POINT STATE PARK COOP 34


 

Monthly Data for November 2018 for Upton NY NWS CWA
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NY SHIRLEY BROOKHAVEN AIRPORT WBAN 1
NY PORT JERVIS COOP 4
CT DANBURY MUNICIPAL AP WBAN 6
CT OXFORD WATERBURY WBAN 6
NY WESTHAMPTON GABRESKI AP WBAN 6
NJ CHARLOTTEBURG RESERVOIR COOP 7
NY SHRUB OAK COOP 7
NY MONTGOMERY ORANGE COUNTY AP WBAN 7
NY CARMEL 4N COOP 7
CT DANBURY COOP 9
CT MOUNT CARMEL COOP 9
CT MERIDEN MARKHAM MUNICIPAL AP WBAN 10
NJ CALDWELL ESSEX COUNTY AP WBAN 11
NY WEST POINT COOP 11
NY WESTCHESTER CO AP WBAN 11
CT STAMFORD 5 N COOP 12
CT GROTON NEW LONDON AP WBAN 12
NJ NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP WBAN 13
NJ CANOE BROOK COOP 13
NJ HARRISON COOP 13
CT IGOR I SIKORSKY MEMORIAL AIRPORT WBAN 13
CT NEW HAVEN TWEED AP WBAN 13
NY UPTON COOP - NWSFO NEW YORK COOP 13
CT GROTON COOP 13
CT NORWICH PUBLIC UTILITY PLANT COOP 13
NJ TETERBORO AIRPORT WBAN 14
NY FARMINGDALE REPUBLIC AP WBAN 14
NY MATTITUCK COOP 14
NY NY CITY CENTRAL PARK WBAN 15
NY JFK INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT WBAN 15
NY CENTERPORT COOP 15
NY ISLIP-LI MACARTHUR AP WBAN 15
NY BRIDGEHAMPTON COOP 15
NY ORIENT POINT STATE PARK COOP 15
NY BAITING HOLLOW COOP 16
NY LAGUARDIA AIRPORT WBAN 17
NY MOLLOY CERCOM COOP 17
NY RIVERHEAD RESEARCH FARM COOP 17
NY MOUNT SINAI COOP 17
NY MONTAUK AIRPORT WBAN 19

 

Monthly Data for November 2025 for Mount Holly NJ NWS CWA
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PA POCONO MOUNTAINS MUNICIPAL AIRPORT WBAN 23
NJ OCEAN COUNTY AIRPORT WBAN 23
NJ MILLVILLE MUNICIPAL AIRPORT WBAN 24
PA EAST STROUDSBURG COOP 24
NJ BELVIDERE BRIDGE COOP 24
NJ HIGHLAND LAKES 1SW COOP 24
NJ WERTSVILLE 4 NE COOP 25
NJ SUSSEX AIRPORT WBAN 25
PA MARTINS CREEK COOP 25
PA BLUE MARSH LAKE COOP 26
NJ SOMERSET AIRPORT WBAN 26
PA AVONDALE 2 N WBAN 27
PA SELLERSVILLE COOP 27
PA ALLENTOWN LEHIGH VALLEY INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT WBAN 27
PA BELTZVILLE DAM COOP 27
PA LEHIGHTON 1SSW COOP 27
NJ ESTELL MANOR COOP 27
NJ PHILADELPHIA/MT. HOLLY WFO COOP 27
NJ HIGHTSTOWN 2 W COOP 27
NJ EWING 3 WNW COOP 27
NJ FLEMINGTON 5 NNW COOP 27
NJ SCHOOLEY'S MOUNTAIN 1 SW COOP 27
DE GEORGETOWN-DELAWARE COASTAL AIRPORT WBAN 28
DE NEWARK AG FARM COOP 28
PA HERITAGE FIELD AIRPORT WBAN 28
NJ MOORESTOWN 4 E COOP 28
NJ SOUTH JERSEY REGIONAL AIRPORT WBAN 28
PA NESHAMINY FALLS COOP 28
NJ TRENTON-MERCER AIRPORT WBAN 28
NJ BOONTON 1 SE COOP 28
PA PHOENIXVILLE 1 E COOP 29
NJ ATLANTIC CITY INTL AP WBAN 29
NJ PHILLIPSBURG-EASTON BRIDGE COOP 29
NJ FREEHOLD-MARLBORO COOP 29
NJ NEW BRUNSWICK 3 SE COOP 29
NJ BELMAR FARMINGDALE ALLAIRE AP WBAN 29
PA READING REGIONAL AIRPORT WBAN 30
DE WILMINGTON AIRPORT WBAN 30
NJ SEABROOK FARMS COOP 30
NJ LONG BRANCH-OAKHURST COOP 30
NJ MANASQUAN 1 NW COOP 30
NJ PENNSAUKEN 1N COOP 31
NJ EB FORSYTHE NEW JERSEY RAWS 31
DE DOVER COOP 32
MD STEVENSVILLE 2SW COOP 32
DE LEWES COOP 32
PA PHILADELPHIA INTL AP WBAN 32

 

Monthly Data for November 2018 for Mount Holly NJ NWS CWA
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PA POCONO MOUNTAINS MUNICIPAL AIRPORT WBAN -2
NJ SUSSEX 1 NW COOP 5
NJ SUSSEX AIRPORT WBAN 6
PA SPRINGTOWN 1 NNE COOP 7
PA EAST STROUDSBURG COOP 7
NJ BELVIDERE BRIDGE COOP 7
PA BELTZVILLE DAM COOP 8
PA LEHIGHTON 1SSW COOP 8
NJ AEROFLEX-ANDOVER AIRPORT WBAN 8
NJ HIGHTSTOWN 2 W COOP 9
NJ WERTSVILLE 4 NE COOP 9
NJ SOMERSET AIRPORT WBAN 9
NJ NEW BRUNSWICK 3 SE COOP 9
PA BLUE MARSH LAKE COOP 10
PA GRATERFORD 1 E COOP 10
PA SELLERSVILLE COOP 10
PA BUCKSVILLE COOP 10
NJ FLEMINGTON 5 NNW COOP 10
NJ FREEHOLD-MARLBORO COOP 10
NJ BOONTON 1 SE COOP 10
PA ALLENTOWN LEHIGH VALLEY INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT WBAN 11
PA HERITAGE FIELD AIRPORT WBAN 11
PA NESHAMINY FALLS COOP 11
NJ PHILLIPSBURG-EASTON BRIDGE COOP 11
PA DOYLESTOWN AIRPORT WBAN 11
PA HAMBURG COOP 12
NJ INDIAN MILLS 2 W COOP 12
NJ SOUTH JERSEY REGIONAL AIRPORT WBAN 13
NJ TRENTON-MERCER AIRPORT WBAN 13
DE WILMINGTON PORTER RES COOP 14
PA AVONDALE 2 N WBAN 14
PA READING REGIONAL AIRPORT WBAN 14
PA NORRISTOWN COOP 14
PA PHOENIXVILLE 1 E COOP 14
NJ HAMMONTON 1 NE COOP 14
NJ PHILADELPHIA/MT. HOLLY WFO COOP 14
NJ LONG BRANCH-OAKHURST COOP 14
NJ ATLANTIC CITY INTL AP WBAN 15
NJ SEABROOK FARMS COOP 15
NJ ESTELL MANOR COOP 15
NJ PENNSAUKEN 1N COOP 15
DE WILMINGTON AIRPORT WBAN 16
NJ MILLVILLE MUNICIPAL AIRPORT WBAN 16
PA PHILADELPHIA INTL AP WBAN 16
NJ CAPE MAY 2 NW COOP 16
PA NORTHEAST PHILADELPHIA AIRPORT WBAN 16
NJ EB FORSYTHE NEW JERSEY RAWS 16
DE DOVER COOP 19
NJ MARGATE COOP 19
PA PHILADELPHIA FRANKLIN INSTITUTE COOP 20
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4 minutes ago, bluewave said:

2018 was really the last time we had any widespread significant November cold for much of the region. 
 

Monthly Data for November 2025 for Upton NY NWS CWA
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NY MONTGOMERY ORANGE COUNTY AP WBAN 24
CT MERIDEN MARKHAM MUNICIPAL AP WBAN 24
NY PORT JERVIS COOP 25
NJ CHARLOTTEBURG RESERVOIR COOP 25
CT OXFORD WATERBURY WBAN 25
NY CARMEL 4N COOP 25
NY UPTON COOP - NWSFO NEW YORK COOP 25
NY SHRUB OAK COOP 26
CT DANBURY MUNICIPAL AP WBAN 26
NY BAITING HOLLOW COOP 26
CT GUILFORD COOP 26
CT GROTON NEW LONDON AP WBAN 26
CT DANBURY COOP 27
CT NEW HAVEN TWEED AP WBAN 27
NY SHIRLEY BROOKHAVEN AIRPORT WBAN 27
CT NORWICH PUBLIC UTILITY PLANT COOP 27
NY ST. JAMES COOP 28
NY WESTCHESTER CO AP WBAN 29
NJ CALDWELL ESSEX COUNTY AP WBAN 30
NY SYOSSET COOP 30
NJ HARRISON COOP 31
NY FARMINGDALE REPUBLIC AP WBAN 31
CT IGOR I SIKORSKY MEMORIAL AIRPORT WBAN 31
NY ISLIP-LI MACARTHUR AP WBAN 31
NJ TETERBORO AIRPORT WBAN 32
NJ TETERBORO AIRPORT COOP 32
NY CENTERPORT COOP 32
NY RIVERHEAD RESEARCH FARM COOP 32
NJ NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP WBAN 33
NY NY CITY CENTRAL PARK WBAN 33
NY JFK INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT WBAN 33
NY LAGUARDIA AIRPORT WBAN 34
NY ORIENT POINT STATE PARK COOP 34


 

Monthly Data for November 2018 for Upton NY NWS CWA
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NY SHIRLEY BROOKHAVEN AIRPORT WBAN 1
NY PORT JERVIS COOP 4
CT DANBURY MUNICIPAL AP WBAN 6
CT OXFORD WATERBURY WBAN 6
NY WESTHAMPTON GABRESKI AP WBAN 6
NJ CHARLOTTEBURG RESERVOIR COOP 7
NY SHRUB OAK COOP 7
NY MONTGOMERY ORANGE COUNTY AP WBAN 7
NY CARMEL 4N COOP 7
CT DANBURY COOP 9
CT MOUNT CARMEL COOP 9
CT MERIDEN MARKHAM MUNICIPAL AP WBAN 10
NJ CALDWELL ESSEX COUNTY AP WBAN 11
NY WEST POINT COOP 11
NY WESTCHESTER CO AP WBAN 11
CT STAMFORD 5 N COOP 12
CT GROTON NEW LONDON AP WBAN 12
NJ NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP WBAN 13
NJ CANOE BROOK COOP 13
NJ HARRISON COOP 13
CT IGOR I SIKORSKY MEMORIAL AIRPORT WBAN 13
CT NEW HAVEN TWEED AP WBAN 13
NY UPTON COOP - NWSFO NEW YORK COOP 13
CT GROTON COOP 13
CT NORWICH PUBLIC UTILITY PLANT COOP 13
NJ TETERBORO AIRPORT WBAN 14
NY FARMINGDALE REPUBLIC AP WBAN 14
NY MATTITUCK COOP 14
NY NY CITY CENTRAL PARK WBAN 15
NY JFK INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT WBAN 15
NY CENTERPORT COOP 15
NY ISLIP-LI MACARTHUR AP WBAN 15
NY BRIDGEHAMPTON COOP 15
NY ORIENT POINT STATE PARK COOP 15
NY BAITING HOLLOW COOP 16
NY LAGUARDIA AIRPORT WBAN 17
NY MOLLOY CERCOM COOP 17
NY RIVERHEAD RESEARCH FARM COOP 17
NY MOUNT SINAI COOP 17
NY MONTAUK AIRPORT WBAN 19

 

Monthly Data for November 2025 for Mount Holly NJ NWS CWA
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PA POCONO MOUNTAINS MUNICIPAL AIRPORT WBAN 23
NJ OCEAN COUNTY AIRPORT WBAN 23
NJ MILLVILLE MUNICIPAL AIRPORT WBAN 24
PA EAST STROUDSBURG COOP 24
NJ BELVIDERE BRIDGE COOP 24
NJ HIGHLAND LAKES 1SW COOP 24
NJ WERTSVILLE 4 NE COOP 25
NJ SUSSEX AIRPORT WBAN 25
PA MARTINS CREEK COOP 25
PA BLUE MARSH LAKE COOP 26
NJ SOMERSET AIRPORT WBAN 26
PA AVONDALE 2 N WBAN 27
PA SELLERSVILLE COOP 27
PA ALLENTOWN LEHIGH VALLEY INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT WBAN 27
PA BELTZVILLE DAM COOP 27
PA LEHIGHTON 1SSW COOP 27
NJ ESTELL MANOR COOP 27
NJ PHILADELPHIA/MT. HOLLY WFO COOP 27
NJ HIGHTSTOWN 2 W COOP 27
NJ EWING 3 WNW COOP 27
NJ FLEMINGTON 5 NNW COOP 27
NJ SCHOOLEY'S MOUNTAIN 1 SW COOP 27
DE GEORGETOWN-DELAWARE COASTAL AIRPORT WBAN 28
DE NEWARK AG FARM COOP 28
PA HERITAGE FIELD AIRPORT WBAN 28
NJ MOORESTOWN 4 E COOP 28
NJ SOUTH JERSEY REGIONAL AIRPORT WBAN 28
PA NESHAMINY FALLS COOP 28
NJ TRENTON-MERCER AIRPORT WBAN 28
NJ BOONTON 1 SE COOP 28
PA PHOENIXVILLE 1 E COOP 29
NJ ATLANTIC CITY INTL AP WBAN 29
NJ PHILLIPSBURG-EASTON BRIDGE COOP 29
NJ FREEHOLD-MARLBORO COOP 29
NJ NEW BRUNSWICK 3 SE COOP 29
NJ BELMAR FARMINGDALE ALLAIRE AP WBAN 29
PA READING REGIONAL AIRPORT WBAN 30
DE WILMINGTON AIRPORT WBAN 30
NJ SEABROOK FARMS COOP 30
NJ LONG BRANCH-OAKHURST COOP 30
NJ MANASQUAN 1 NW COOP 30
NJ PENNSAUKEN 1N COOP 31
NJ EB FORSYTHE NEW JERSEY RAWS 31
DE DOVER COOP 32
MD STEVENSVILLE 2SW COOP 32
DE LEWES COOP 32
PA PHILADELPHIA INTL AP WBAN 32

 

Monthly Data for November 2018 for Mount Holly NJ NWS CWA
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PA POCONO MOUNTAINS MUNICIPAL AIRPORT WBAN -2
NJ SUSSEX 1 NW COOP 5
NJ SUSSEX AIRPORT WBAN 6
PA SPRINGTOWN 1 NNE COOP 7
PA EAST STROUDSBURG COOP 7
NJ BELVIDERE BRIDGE COOP 7
PA BELTZVILLE DAM COOP 8
PA LEHIGHTON 1SSW COOP 8
NJ AEROFLEX-ANDOVER AIRPORT WBAN 8
NJ HIGHTSTOWN 2 W COOP 9
NJ WERTSVILLE 4 NE COOP 9
NJ SOMERSET AIRPORT WBAN 9
NJ NEW BRUNSWICK 3 SE COOP 9
PA BLUE MARSH LAKE COOP 10
PA GRATERFORD 1 E COOP 10
PA SELLERSVILLE COOP 10
PA BUCKSVILLE COOP 10
NJ FLEMINGTON 5 NNW COOP 10
NJ FREEHOLD-MARLBORO COOP 10
NJ BOONTON 1 SE COOP 10
PA ALLENTOWN LEHIGH VALLEY INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT WBAN 11
PA HERITAGE FIELD AIRPORT WBAN 11
PA NESHAMINY FALLS COOP 11
NJ PHILLIPSBURG-EASTON BRIDGE COOP 11
PA DOYLESTOWN AIRPORT WBAN 11
PA HAMBURG COOP 12
NJ INDIAN MILLS 2 W COOP 12
NJ SOUTH JERSEY REGIONAL AIRPORT WBAN 13
NJ TRENTON-MERCER AIRPORT WBAN 13
DE WILMINGTON PORTER RES COOP 14
PA AVONDALE 2 N WBAN 14
PA READING REGIONAL AIRPORT WBAN 14
PA NORRISTOWN COOP 14
PA PHOENIXVILLE 1 E COOP 14
NJ HAMMONTON 1 NE COOP 14
NJ PHILADELPHIA/MT. HOLLY WFO COOP 14
NJ LONG BRANCH-OAKHURST COOP 14
NJ ATLANTIC CITY INTL AP WBAN 15
NJ SEABROOK FARMS COOP 15
NJ ESTELL MANOR COOP 15
NJ PENNSAUKEN 1N COOP 15
DE WILMINGTON AIRPORT WBAN 16
NJ MILLVILLE MUNICIPAL AIRPORT WBAN 16
PA PHILADELPHIA INTL AP WBAN 16
NJ CAPE MAY 2 NW COOP 16
PA NORTHEAST PHILADELPHIA AIRPORT WBAN 16
NJ EB FORSYTHE NEW JERSEY RAWS 16
DE DOVER COOP 19
NJ MARGATE COOP 19
PA PHILADELPHIA FRANKLIN INSTITUTE COOP 20

In 2018 I didn't get my first teens low until Thanksgiving morning on 11/22. The low that morning was 11 followed by a low of 6 the following morning, that was chilly. Last November I didn't have any lows in the teens but I did get down to 23 on 11/13 and 21 11/14.

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18 minutes ago, eduggs said:

For non-radiating locations right on the Hudson from northern Westchester to southern Dutchess, this fall has felt just about normal for the past 20 years. It's been consistently cool and not cold with a lot of wind. That should skew the radiating spots warm but less so the river towns.

I have thoroughly enjoyed this fall, ever since the first week of October we have had a great classic fall stretch with no nasty torches to kill the autumnal mood.

The wind could have been lighter though, I have received an anomalously high number of texts from my wife saying, "why is it so fccking windy again" over the last several weeks lol

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3 minutes ago, Sundog said:

I have thoroughly enjoyed this fall, ever since the first week of October we have had a great classic fall stretch with no nasty torches to kill the autumnal mood.

The wind could have been lighter though, I have received an anomalously high number of texts from my wife saying, "why is it so fccking windy again" over the last several weeks lol

I agree with this, I've enjoyed this fall as well but my wife texts are "That wind tho"

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29 minutes ago, IrishRob17 said:

In 2018 I didn't get my first teens low until Thanksgiving morning on 11/22. The low that morning was 11 followed by a low of 6 the following morning, that was chilly. Last November I didn't have any lows in the teens but I did get down to 23 on 11/13 and 21 11/14.

We also got some record cold earlier in November 2019. Though the lows weren’t to the level of late in November 2018.

The big story in November 2019 for my area back on the GSB was how late the plants were booming with the 70° warmth earlier in the month. That October had the record mid 90s warmth. 

Our azalea was still in full bloom that November before the three nights in the low to mid 20s. The plant never came back the following spring due to the freeze damage.

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Looks like the day before Thanksgiving will be quite warm in NYC, around 60 degrees. Thanksgiving should be a little cooler, and then it seems like we go into a prolonged stretch of colder than normal temps from Black Friday through at least first 10 days of december (so around 2 weeks of below normal temps for at least the foreseeable future). Hopefully next Wednesday is last warm day for a while. 

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But yes, the coldest we've had in northeast Queens thus far is 33 degrees last week, around 6-7 am one of those days, I believe it was Veterans Day. Used to regularly have the first freeze by mid november, but most of the 2020s, it's been pushed back to December. First frost used to be late October, now it's been pushed back a few weeks as well. 

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1 hour ago, TheClimateChanger said:

Do you think the atmosphere is still capable of producing 4" of snow in a single day at locations like New York and Pittsburgh (see below)? I noticed Pittsburgh has obliterated its longest stretch without 4" of snow, and this includes data from the downtown station that was a few hundred feet lower in elevation with a seasonal snowfall average of about ~12 inches less than the airport. So this is completely unprecedented since at least the 1870s. I have to wonder if the 40N parallel is simply too for south to see such heavy snow with the current atmospheric conditions? Maybe NYC will fare a little better being on the coast?

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I think NYC will eventually see another 4” day. Not sure when though.

But the more impressive streak for NYC had been no March 10” daily snows since 1993.

It’s possible that the climate has warmed too much for that record to be reached again. 
 

1993-03-13 40 28 34.0 -7.8 31 0 2.37 10.2

 

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