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Winter '23-'24 Piss and Moan/Banter Thread


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https://great-lakes-salsite.web.app/Dec_1_10_2023_250mb_loop.html

https://great-lakes-salsite.web.app/Dec_11_20_2023_250mb_loop.html

loop specific to our combination storm of the last few days. I find it just fascinating that storm elements combine in wintertime scenarios.

https://great-lakes-salsite.web.app/Dec_15_20_2023_500mb_loop.html

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I dream of a legendary winter similar to 2013-2014. The 11-17-13 tornado outbreak, the early December snowstorm, polar vortex blizzard, Thundersnow in February, 18” Snow depth with record cold was something I’ll talk to my grandkids about. 
 

@michsnowfreakreading his recap gives me goosebumps and butterflies. It was truly the best winter we could ever have here.

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On 12/19/2023 at 7:33 PM, roardog said:

I think the most sleet I’ve ever seen was early April 2003. The previous night was an ice storm while everyone to the south was getting just rain. The next night everyone to the south was getting an ice storm while I was getting buried in sleet. I remember there was at least two or three inches of sleet. It stuck around for a while too even though it was April. 
 

‘83,’03,’07,’16 were all Ninos that had a real wintry period in early April. Will ‘24 join that list?

SWMI's version of that was 12-28, 2015. Looks like odds increase for those events during these Nino's

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3 hours ago, Chambana said:

I dream of a legendary winter similar to 2013-2014. The 11-17-13 tornado outbreak, the early December snowstorm, polar vortex blizzard, Thundersnow in February, 18” Snow depth with record cold was something I’ll talk to my grandkids about. 
 

@michsnowfreakreading his recap gives me goosebumps and butterflies. It was truly the best winter we could ever have here.

It's hard to believe that winter was ten years ago. It truly was incredible. It actually defied the odds in terms of getting so much snow with such cold weather.

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On 12/10/2023 at 8:48 PM, hardypalmguy said:


Those coping drugs must be some good stuff.

Just relentless warming on the running 30-year mean at this point - every year inexorably climbing higher and higher. The only thing that caused a brief pause was a chilly 2014.

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By comparison, here are the record low 30-year means:

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Also of note, this is shaping up to be the warmest running 30-year average in the Chicago threaded weather record. Prior to the current 30-year period, all of the other top ten warmest were from the warmer Midway site [with, in a handful of cases, some years from the downtown city station].

Now that ORD has crossed the proverbial "Rubicon" in a sense, with the current running 30-year mean leapfrogging all of the older Midway records, I suspect from here on out, it will resemble the MKE and DTW trends, with each and every year, slowly but inexorably climbing higher until the end of meaningful time.

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2 hours ago, TheClimateChanger said:

Just relentless warming on the running 30-year mean at this point - every year inexorably climbing higher and higher. The only thing that caused a brief pause was a chilly 2014.

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By comparison, here are the record low 30-year means:

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The fact that you engage with a troll that everyone wants banned pretty much ruins your credibility. What you're not realizing, however, is that the data you post (as cherry picked as some of it is) only makes your troll friend look more idiotic and tells us things we already know. He does not believe in ever so slowly steadily climbing temperature averages that most do, and no one here denies. He alleges that our winters are warming like 30° in a few decades. All you have to do is look at some of his previous posts. Oh, and that's another thing, those rising averages here are due to summer, not winter. January+ february temperatures are literally flatlined the past 100 years at detroit.

 

In the last 10 years, Detroit has seen:
40 record highs
30 record warm Lows
21 record Lows
10 record cold highs

What's interesting is that most of the record Lows have been in the cold season.

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My best guess is maybe squalls that are stronger or last longer than normal?
It's not a Snow Squall Emergency, it's a Snow Squall Warning (SQW) with a 'significant' tag selected that will trigger the WEAs. Baseline SQWs will no longer get WEAs. I'm not sure how other offices are handling it but we're in disagreement with the policy and will not be issuing non WEA SQWs. We will only issue 'significant' SQWs that activate WEAs (between 5am and 10pm on weekdays and 7am and 10pm on weekends).

https://www.weather.gov/media/safety/Snow-Squall-IBW.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjb3LmU4bODAxXcAHkGHTtqBzQQFnoECBsQAQ&usg=AOvVaw0Cpc_VkwVJaiOH4JJHj9VZ


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