Windspeed Posted January 28, 2021 Author Share Posted January 28, 2021 perhaps beyond the scope of this discussion but do you think science will ever advance to the point where we can control these monsters or at the very least find some kind of mechanical release to cool down SST (or create shear) to lessen the impact of these beasts? If humans or its resulting AI civilization doesn't extinguish / destroy itself, it is hypothetically possible that some sentient intelligence will be able to control the planet's weather at some point in the distant future. However, in the shorter term, it is likely unachievable from an macro engineering scale and far more realistic that we merely take better actions to protect coastal communities and advance their preparedness. I mean, that is if you even give any credence or thoughts to the Kardashev scale. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 4 minutes ago, Windspeed said: 19 minutes ago, LibertyBell said: perhaps beyond the scope of this discussion but do you think science will ever advance to the point where we can control these monsters or at the very least find some kind of mechanical release to cool down SST (or create shear) to lessen the impact of these beasts? If humans or its resulting AI civilization doesn't extinguish / destroy itself, it is hypothetically possible that some sentient intelligence will be able to control the planet's weather at some point in the distant future. However, in the shorter term, it is likely unachievable from an macro engineering scale and far more realistic that we merely take better actions to protect coastal communities and advance their preparedness. I mean, that is if you even give any credence or thoughts to the Kardashev scale. Your thoughts dovetail mine. In addition to the Kardashev scale, I think it's logical that this type of geoengineering will be a prerequisite before we can colonize other worlds (for example, Mars.) Some of the techniques developed to do that there may also be applied here (which seems to often be the case with developments from our space program.) Much more reasonable within our lifetimes though would be protecting our coastal communities and better preparing them. I see that cities near the water are developing safeguards against excessive flooding (both from the ocean and from the sky), some of which involves promoting a natural flood plain (like Houston) or creating checks on rising sea levels to prevent them from flooding cities (for example Miami, Charleston and even NYC.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windspeed Posted January 28, 2021 Author Share Posted January 28, 2021 Your thoughts dovetail mine. In addition to the Kardashev scale, I think it's logical that this type of geoengineering will be a prerequisite before we can colonize other worlds (for example, Mars.) Some of the techniques developed to do that there may also be applied here (which seems to often be the case with developments from our space program.) Much more reasonable within our lifetimes though would be protecting our coastal communities and better preparing them. I see that cities near the water are developing safeguards against excessive flooding (both from the ocean and from the sky), some of which involves promoting a natural flood plain (like Houston) or creating checks on rising sea levels to prevent them from flooding cities (for example Miami, Charleston and even NYC.) Not to completely divert off-topic here but I think we can colonize with domes and perhaps even produce atmosphere before we can forcefully manipulate the randomness of chaotic liquid flow eddies between low and high pressure systems. Perhaps even being able to make a planet breathable before we can control the thermal-coupled dynamics between the Earth's oceans and resultant drivin lapse rates into its atmosphere. That is some serious crazy physics control at that point that might not come into human or AI control until far later into advancements of space exploration and settlement that we are a long ways off from achieving. Take a planet like Venus, for example. Yeah. Yikes. We've got a long way to go before we can simply snuff out a macro system like a Category 5 hurricane. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 1 minute ago, Windspeed said: 11 minutes ago, LibertyBell said: Your thoughts dovetail mine. In addition to the Kardashev scale, I think it's logical that this type of geoengineering will be a prerequisite before we can colonize other worlds (for example, Mars.) Some of the techniques developed to do that there may also be applied here (which seems to often be the case with developments from our space program.) Much more reasonable within our lifetimes though would be protecting our coastal communities and better preparing them. I see that cities near the water are developing safeguards against excessive flooding (both from the ocean and from the sky), some of which involves promoting a natural flood plain (like Houston) or creating checks on rising sea levels to prevent them from flooding cities (for example Miami, Charleston and even NYC.) Not to completely divert off-topic here but I think we can colonize with domes and perhaps even produce atmosphere before we can forcefully manipulate the randomness of chaotic liquid flow eddies between low and high pressures. Perhaps even being able to make a planet breathable before we can control thermal-coupled dynamics between the Earth's oceans and driving lapse rates into its atmosphere. That is some serious physics control there that might come far later even into space exploration and settlement. Take a planet like Venus, for example. Yikes. We've got a long way to go before we can simply snuff out a macro system like a Category 5 hurricane. Good thinking! That's why I think "prevention" would come far before "cure" could (like simulating shear or somehow being able to lower sea temps). The kind of circulation adjustments involved though may be extremely complicated to create and we'd of course we'd have to weigh benefits vs risks. The dome and artificial atmosphere idea for colonization is extremely intriguing, I suppose we could first develop that in space before even colonizing another world. Having a space colony orbiting earth sounds like a good testing ground. Speaking of Venus, it may have a habitable zone, but it would have to be far up in the atmosphere. The idea of a floating city as you describe it (with a dome and breathable bubble within it) sounds intriguing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windspeed Posted March 15, 2021 Author Share Posted March 15, 2021 Hurricane Committee discusses record-breaking 2020 season, plans for 2021 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 Interesting... I did not know anything about the underwater hurricane gliders. I will have to look those up and see how those are done/released Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthHillsWx Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 20 hours ago, yoda said: Interesting... I did not know anything about the underwater hurricane gliders. I will have to look those up and see how those are done/released We came across one in the gulfstream off Morehead city while offshore fishing 2 days after hurricane Dorian passed a couple years ago. Wish I could find the video 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoistWx Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 According to the WMO, the names Dorian, Laura, Eta and Iota from the 2020 Atlantic Hurricane Season have been retired. The Greek alphabet will no longer be used for future hurricane seasons, and a supplemental name list will be used in its place. Interesting. https://public.wmo.int/en/media/press-release/wmo-hurricane-committee-retires-tropical-cyclone-names-and-ends-use-of-greek 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheeselandSkies Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 6 minutes ago, MoistWx said: According to the WMO, the names Dorian, Laura, Eta and Iota from the 2020 Atlantic Hurricane Season have been retired. The Greek alphabet will no longer be used for future hurricane seasons, and a supplemental name list will be used in its place. Interesting. https://public.wmo.int/en/media/press-release/wmo-hurricane-committee-retires-tropical-cyclone-names-and-ends-use-of-greek Dorian was from '19. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoistWx Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 1 minute ago, CheeselandSkies said: Dorian was from '19. Oops... Yes, good catch. That's what I get for posting while also being in severe weenie mode 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ncforecaster89 Posted May 8, 2021 Share Posted May 8, 2021 Noticed that the hurricane Laura thread can no longer be found in this particular sub forum. Anyone know why that may be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cptcatz Posted May 8, 2021 Share Posted May 8, 2021 5 hours ago, ncforecaster89 said: Noticed that the hurricane Laura thread can no longer be found in this particular sub forum. Anyone know why that may be? I was also looking for the Sally thread a while back and couldn't find it either, only the banter thread. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ncforecaster89 Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 14 hours ago, cptcatz said: I was also looking for the Sally thread a while back and couldn't find it either, only the banter thread. As you noted, the various banter threads are available but the actual storm threads are missing for Laura, Sally, Dorian, Michael, and Harvey...just to name the most obvious. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eskimo Joe Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakkelWx Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 Hurricanes will be more relevant to me than ever before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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dan11295 Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/aboutnames_history.shtml This page has the new alternate naming lists replacing the Greek letters. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windspeed Posted May 11, 2021 Author Share Posted May 11, 2021 Zeta's post-season analysis upgrade to Category 3 puts the 2020 season at 7 major hurricanes, tied with 2005. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaxjagman Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 On 5/8/2021 at 2:10 AM, ncforecaster89 said: Noticed that the hurricane Laura thread can no longer be found in this particular sub forum. Anyone know why that may be? If you start a thread you can moderate it and delete the whole thing,not sure that is what happened but seems possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoboLeader1 Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 From philklotzbach on Twitter: NOAA officially declares end of La Nina, as sea surface temperature anomalies increased in eastern & central tropical Pacific. However, NOAA's odds of #ElNino for peak of Atlantic hurricane season (Aug-Oct) are very low (8%). El Nino typically reduces Atlantic hurricane activity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda Posted May 19, 2021 Share Posted May 19, 2021 Interesting... they downgraded Major Hurricane Iota to a high end Cat 4 at 155mph after postseason analysis https://mobile.twitter.com/JakeCarstens/status/1394742090966372359 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WxWatcher007 Posted May 19, 2021 Share Posted May 19, 2021 On 5/8/2021 at 10:45 PM, ncforecaster89 said: As you noted, the various banter threads are available but the actual storm threads are missing for Laura, Sally, Dorian, Michael, and Harvey...just to name the most obvious. On 5/12/2021 at 11:33 PM, jaxjagman said: If you start a thread you can moderate it and delete the whole thing,not sure that is what happened but seems possible. That's exactly what happened. I was leaving the board and was preparing to delete my account but asked an admin to try to save the threads. I guess that didn't work out... I'm not sure if they're archived somewhere or not. I guess I started a lot of prolific tropical threads. Sorry guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windspeed Posted May 21, 2021 Author Share Posted May 21, 2021 That's exactly what happened. I was leaving the board and was preparing to delete my account but asked an admin to try to save the threads. I guess that didn't work out... I'm not sure if they're archived somewhere or not. I guess I started a lot of prolific tropical threads. Sorry guys. Wait, what? You're leaving? Wow, I just noticed a huge chunk of threads missing. Damn... Sheesh. Michael, Dorian, Irma (initial), Matthew threads. That's a huge amount of discussion gone forever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the ghost of OT Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 I’ll start threads from here on out. It’s all good. Let’s be future-oriented. 2021 is gonna rock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windspeed Posted May 21, 2021 Author Share Posted May 21, 2021 I’ll start threads from here on out. It’s all good. Let’s be future-oriented. 2021 is gonna rock. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WxWatcher007 Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 24 minutes ago, Windspeed said: Wait, what? You're leaving? Wow, I just noticed a huge chunk of threads missing. Damn... Sheesh. Michael, Dorian, Irma (initial), Matthew threads. That's a huge amount of discussion gone forever. I was on my way out but some friends pulled me back. I know…it totally sucks. Not sure why a whole thread needs to go when the OP does. Didn’t realize I started so many threads but I guess the last few years it’s just been me and you starting these things here. Maybe an admin can see if they’re archived somewhere? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windspeed Posted May 21, 2021 Author Share Posted May 21, 2021 I was on my way out but some friends pulled me back. I know…it totally sucks. Not sure why a whole thread needs to go when the OP does. Didn’t realize I started so many threads but I guess the last few years it’s just been me and you starting these things here. Maybe an admin can see if they’re archived somewhere? You essentially started the majority of system threads since the early part of last decade. I really hope there was a backup archive. Otherwise that is beyond unfortunate. Glad to read you are not leaving though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WxWatcher007 Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 I reached out to a mod. Hopefully we can fix it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prospero Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 That would be nice. Forum archives are a museum for future generations. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the ghost of OT Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 4 minutes ago, Prospero said: That would be nice. Forum archives are a museum for future generations. future generations are going to fighting AI robots and scrounging for soylent and clean water. I doubt they’ll have time to figure out why everyone was so wrong about iota’s central pressure. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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