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I think there is a better chance this ends up a miss then too far inland. If you just look at where the models have been based on their tendencies this winter you get that idea too. GGEM has been too amped, is too amped. GFS has been near the best model and its ensembles have shown near misses, euro is going to Bermuda and has generally been too suppressed

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83 and Dec 09 were very similar, I see DTs idea here in that this sort of is an unphased "own amplifying" system but the difference is it amplifies out over the TN Valley region and has plenty of time in the flow to do so. The impressive thing about 83 and 09 is that the vorts amplified on their own coming almost straight out of the gulf region moving northeast courtesy of the upstream ridge amplifying to the west.

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thanks - that storm had much colder air in front of it then what is forecast here at the end of the week - the temps were in the teens when the snow started falling that friday afternoon - still remember it 

 

 

http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KEWR/1983/2/11/DailyHistory.html?req_city=NA&req_state=NA&req_statename=NA&reqdb.zip=&reqdb.magic=&reqdb.wmo=

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Anybody have any maps for the February 11 -12 , 1983 storm which is the analog according to DT. ?

That storm was a Miller A. It formed in the Gulf of Mexico reached the Carolinas and then tracked northeastward from there. Mesoscale processes, possibly aided by a gravity wave, led to tremendous convective snows. 

 

It was a 1004 mb system just south of the Outer Banks of NC, 1000 mb off the Delmarva Peninsula, and 996 mb off Cape Cod. 

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That storm was a Miller A. It formed in the Gulf of Mexico reached the Carolinas and then tracked northeastward from there. Mesoscale processes, possibly aided by a gravity wave, led to tremendous convective snows.

It was a 1004 mb system just south of the Outer Banks of NC, 1000 mb off the Delmarva Peninsula, and 996 mb off Cape Cod.

The 700 and 850 low track was almost perfect for NYC. The rate of snow though was remarkable given the fact I don't think the low was closed until late at night when the snow was already nearly ending so I agree something else was going on there

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That storm was a Miller A. It formed in the Gulf of Mexico reached the Carolinas and then tracked northeastward from there. Mesoscale processes, possibly aided by a gravity wave, led to tremendous convective snows. 

 

It was a 1004 mb system just south of the Outer Banks of NC, 1000 mb off the Delmarva Peninsula, and 996 mb off Cape Cod. 

and a ton of arctic air to work with - temps in the teens in the metro 

 

http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KEWR/1983/2/11/DailyHistory.html?req_city=NA&req_state=NA&req_statename=NA&reqdb.zip=&reqdb.magic=&reqdb.wmo=

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thanks - that storm had much colder air in front of it then what is forecast here at the end of the week - the temps were in the teens when the snow started falling that friday afternoon - still remember it

http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KEWR/1983/2/11/DailyHistory.html?req_city=NA&req_state=NA&req_statename=NA&reqdb.zip=&reqdb.magic=&reqdb.wmo=

Wow 4 hours of thundersnow

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Wow 4 hours of thundersnow

and visibility shows 0.1 for hours But it was more like 20 - 30 feet for a couple of hours in the evening vehicles were forced to stop on the highways and there were many abandoned....

 

http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KEWR/1983/2/11/DailyHistory.html?req_city=NA&req_state=NA&req_statename=NA&reqdb.zip=&reqdb.magic=&reqdb.wmo=

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 folks keep  jerking  off to the op GFS and ignore the GEFS   will they  ever learn?

for the  past 7  runs  the    op GFS  has been VASTLY  different from the   GEFS

the differences  are huge

 

if you think  these  maps are the same you need to   find a new hobby 

 

 

 

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folks keep jerking off to the op GFS and ignore the GEFS will they ever learn?

for the past 7 runs the op GFS has been VASTLY different from the GEFS

the differences are huge

if you think these maps are the same you need to find a new hobby

0zgefs144.jpg

144opGFS sfc.png

FWIW that ensemble setup DOES look very 1983 like just from that one image at 500

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folks keep jerking off to the op GFS and ignore the GEFS will they ever learn?

for the past 7 runs the op GFS has been VASTLY different from the GEFS

the differences are huge

if you think these maps are the same you need to find a new hobby

0zgefs144.jpg

144opGFS sfc.png

I assume you feel this storm has bigger impact in the mid Atlantic then up this way

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Stormy on the GFS. It took away the warmth.

IMO I don't think anyone has a true handle on exactly what is going to unfold the second half of this week and beyond - sorry to say ........devil is in the details and one little shift here and there will make a huge difference with this storm later this week ..to just discount the Ops in favor of the means or the Euro could be a mistake - as I proved in an earlier post that the GEFS from 1/9 did not verify for this weekend and will not for early this week the 18 -19

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IMO I don't think anyone has a true handle on exactly what is going to unfold the second half of this week and beyond - sorry to say ........devil is in the details and one little shift here and there will make a huge difference with this storm later this week ..

Agree. GEFS also agree that there is no warmth at all.

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indeed IF you LOOK at the 0Z op GFS the BLUE line r/s lien goes into and past DC PHL and into NYC

These models long range medium range all have sucked this year so far aka the only thing you get from this is a storm signal...finally somewhat of a cold high up north...and teleconnectors rising from negtive AO and Nao to positive which can also signal a winter storm worrying whether a rain / snow line will be either side of 50 miles is pointless right now.

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