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Upstate NY/North Country + adjacent ON, QC, VT: End of Fall/Into Winter!


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There may be full scale weenie meltdowns in the NE thread if that storm misses them.

 

If there's suppression, the meltdowns will continue into a couple other forums.

 

And the hype over some of this QPF model output is so over the top in the MA forum that anything under 30" is going to be a disappointment. Funny thing is, even if they had Snowmageddon II, it would all melt by next Wednesday.

 

I'm kind of glad this was a miss for us from the get-go. 

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There may be full scale weenie meltdowns in the NE thread if that storm misses them.

I'm just not feeling this storm for areas north of about DC.  No rooting interest for me either way, but the set-up doesn't seem that great - retreating cold air mass and ridge out west pushing east would seem to indicate a storm that wants to slide out to sea and not gain much latitude.  Hope I'm wrong for the NYC/New England folks rooting hard for a storm....

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Hope I'm wrong for the NYC/New England folks rooting hard for a storm....

 

Yeah, this will be a hard one for them to take. My FB feed lags this forum by about 24 hours, so the weenies there are gonna crash really hard. Maybe after the next warm-up they'll cash in, if it isn't too late by then.

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I left Fulton around 3:30 PM with about 13" new on the day, 19" storm total.  Left just as the band moved south.  Ride home to B'lo was an adventure...hit the band again right at the Rt. 34/104 intersection.  Passed about 10 vehicles off the road to that point.  White-out conditions started at Bethel.  Made it about 3 miles from Cato at which point multiple cars stopped in front of me on a hill.  Heard road was completely blocked just over the hill, so nowhere to go but back...drove back through the heart of the band to 104, then down to Rt. 38. So now I'm thinking I would drive back through it for a brief time and make it to the 90 in Weedsport no problem.  Um, not so much.  Entire way down Rt. 38 to Port Byron was intense snow rates, frequent white-outs, and never quite sure if i was on the road or about to dive into a ditch.  I'm thinking, WTF, the band can't be that wide!  Finally able to check the radar when I got to the 90 and saw that the band basically sunk south off the lake and followed me all the way to Weedsport.  Ride down the 90 was in and out of heavy snow the whole way as well.  All told a crazy 5 hour journey, but thankful to have made it home safely.  

I've had a couple sketchy trips on Rt 34 myself.. The first time I had to go down the rd was 4-5 yrs ago, it was mid morning and I was in a semi (empty) in just as crazy snowfall. i couldnt see the road or lines and was basically driving off rd signs ( a couple times i was seeing them out the wrong window!!!) with about 4-5" on the rd....  Got to just south of Cato sun was out... Then I had to turn around and come back loaded(102,000lbs) I remember starting to spin out towards the top of one those hills but thankfully double lockers in the truck got me over.. That was some of the crazy 10-12 miles each way I've ever driven in...

How was 104?? It's been a few yes since ive driven up there in the winter but I found 104 and rt3 seemed to be better condition then 34 or 38..

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About 9" of snow fell here at SU today! Still snowing at around 2"/hr.!!

9" downtown? Wow. I work in pool and I'd guess a few inches fell. Here at home, maybe an inch...

I can't call these two LES events a bust, cuz beggars can't be choosers, and Lake Effect is very problematic SE of the lake, but we certainly didn't come close to the 18-24" forecasted for these two events (15" and 12").

Weekend system looks like a no go for CNY. In fact, I suspect the interior MA may be the only place along the east coast that sees >6-12". A more out to sea solution makes sense with not much in the way of serious blocking upstream.

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The almost 2" of lake effect recently is my single largest snowfall this season (a little over 6" total since November).  Parts of Kentucky may match that tonight and tomorrow  :)    Snow has been relatively stingy to ENY the past handful of seasons (compared to areas to my south and east anyway).  One of these years we'll even out and have a series of coast huggers to enjoy.

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Fulton FTW for the win from these obs...although Perrysburg is dated 1/18. I assume they had more snow yesterday and today.  

 

SPOTTER REPORTS
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE BUFFALO NY
1153 AM EST WED JAN 20 2016

THE FOLLOWING ARE OBSERVATIONS TAKEN FROM THIS PAST SUNDAY THROUGH
LATE TUESDAY NIGHT FOR THE HEAVY LAKE EFFECT SNOW THAT HAS BEEN
AFFECTING OUR REGION. APPRECIATION IS EXTENDED TO ALL PARTNERS FOR
THESE REPORTS. THIS SUMMARY IS ALSO AVAILABLE ON OUR HOME PAGE AT
WEATHER.GOV/BUFFALO.

********************STORM TOTAL SNOWFALL********************

LOCATION STORM TOTAL TIME/DATE COMMENTS
SNOWFALL OF
/INCHES/ MEASUREMENT

NEW YORK

...ALLEGANY COUNTY...
4 SW WEST ALMOND 5.2 1000 AM 1/20 COCORAHS

...CATTARAUGUS COUNTY...
LITTLE VALLEY 18.5 700 AM 1/20 COOP OBSERVER
PERRYSBURG 18.0 800 AM 1/18 COOP OBSERVER
1 ENE RANDOLPH 16.0 700 AM 1/19 COCORAHS
1 NNE FRANKLINVILLE 14.5 709 AM 1/19 COCORAHS
5 N ALLEGANY 9.8 700 AM 1/20 COCORAHS
1 SSW FRANKLINVILLE 5.5 700 AM 1/20 COOP OBSERVER
1 WSW OLEAN 5.0 730 AM 1/19 COOP OBSERVER
1 NE OLEAN 4.3 800 AM 1/20 COCORAHS
ALLEGANY 4.0 747 AM 1/18 PUBLIC
HUMPHERY 3.8 830 AM 1/18 TRAINED SPOTTER

...CAYUGA COUNTY...
MARTVILLE 12.0 1100 AM 1/19 OTHER FEDERAL
STERLING 9.0 239 PM 1/18 TRAINED SPOTTER

...CHAUTAUQUA COUNTY...
MAYVILLE 12.0 604 PM 1/18 TRAINED SPOTTER
4 ENE JAMESTOWN 11.4 700 AM 1/20 COOP OBSERVER
2 SW FORESTVILLE 8.5 1250 PM 1/18 COCORAHS
1 N SHERMAN 8.0 1017 PM 1/17 SOCIAL MEDIA
3 SSE FREWSBURG 5.8 745 AM 1/20 COCORAHS
1 WNW FREDONIA 4.9 500 AM 1/19 COCORAHS

...ERIE COUNTY...
EAST CONCORD 16.7 545 AM 1/19 TRAINED SPOTTER
SARDINIA 11.8 758 PM 1/18 FIRE DEPT/RESCUE
2 ENE COLDEN 7.6 800 AM 1/20 COCORAHS
2 SE GLENWOOD 7.2 800 AM 1/20 COCORAHS
1 N CLARENCE CENTER 6.4 700 AM 1/19 COCORAHS
SNYDER 6.0 534 PM 1/17 PUBLIC
3 E WILLIAMSVILLE 6.0 700 AM 1/18 COCORAHS
3 NE CHEEKTOWAGA 5.9 700 AM 1/19 COCORAHS
BUFFALO AIRPORT 5.9 654 AM 1/19 ASOS
2 NW CHEEKTOWAGA 5.6 735 AM 1/18 COCORAHS
WILLIAMSVILLE 5.0 701 PM 1/17 NWS EMPLOYEE
5 NNE AMHERST 4.8 800 AM 1/19 COCORAHS
KENMORE 4.0 608 PM 1/17 NWS EMPLOYEE
2 NE BOSTON 4.0 800 AM 1/19 COCORAHS
1 NW KENMORE 3.8 600 AM 1/18 COCORAHS
2 NNW WILLIAMSVILLE 3.7 900 AM 1/18 COCORAHS
5 WNW CLARENCE CENTE 3.5 700 AM 1/19 COCORAHS
4 SSE BUFFALO 3.5 645 AM 1/18 COCORAHS

...JEFFERSON COUNTY...
SE MANNSVILLE 16.0 700 AM 1/18 COCORAHS
LORRAINE 12.0 940 AM 1/18 SOCIAL MEDIA
5 ENE CAPE VINCENT 7.0 1030 PM 1/17 PUBLIC
1 WSW WATERTOWN 4.8 600 AM 1/18 COCORAHS

...LEWIS COUNTY...
1 E OSCEOLA 15.0 615 AM 1/20 PUBLIC
1 NW CONSTABLEVILLE 5.1 500 AM 1/20 COCORAHS
HIGHMARKET 4.1 344 AM 1/20 COOP OBSERVER

...LIVINGSTON COUNTY...
4 WSW DANSVILLE 4.9 600 AM 1/20 COCORAHS

...MONROE COUNTY...
1 ESE IRONDEQUOIT 13.0 630 AM 1/19 SOCIAL MEDIA
FOREST LAWN 8.0 130 AM 1/19 SOCIAL MEDIA
2 NE WEBSTER 7.5 800 PM 1/19 COOP OBSERVER
5 W ROCHESTER 7.3 730 AM 1/20 COCORAHS
ROCHESTER AIRPORT 7.2 700 AM 1/20 ASOS
3 W WEBSTER 6.7 1159 PM 1/19 COCORAHS
5 WNW ROCHESTER 6.1 700 AM 1/20 COCORAHS
2 ENE BROCKPORT 5.6 1000 AM 1/19 COCORAHS
4 E ROCHESTER 4.7 700 AM 1/19 COCORAHS
4 WNW WEBSTER 3.9 900 AM 1/19 COCORAHS

...NIAGARA COUNTY...
1 NE LOCKPORT 6.1 700 AM 1/19 COCORAHS
6 E NIAGARA FALLS 5.4 747 AM 1/19 COCORAHS
1 NNE NORTH TONAWAND 4.4 700 AM 1/19 COCORAHS

...OSWEGO COUNTY...
W FULTON 22.4 230 AM 1/20 COCORAHS
8 NNW REDFIELD 19.0 500 AM 1/18 COCORAHS
FULTON 17.0 529 PM 1/18 TRAINED SPOTTER
1 NE PULASKI 11.0 600 AM 1/19 COCORAHS
PULASKI 11.0 600 AM 1/18 COOP OBSERVER
4 SSE LACONA 10.1 700 AM 1/18 COCORAHS
CENTRAL SQUARE 8.0 130 PM 1/18 TRAINED SPOTTER
5 ESE OSWEGO 6.9 600 AM 1/18 COCORAHS
1 NNW FULTON 6.0 700 AM 1/18 COCORAHS
2 SSE PALERMO 5.5 600 AM 1/18 COOP OBSERVER
7 NNE PHOENIX 5.0 600 AM 1/18 COCORAHS
LACONA 4.6 430 PM 1/19 COCORAHS
SE MINETTO 4.2 700 AM 1/18 COCORAHS

...WAYNE COUNTY...
2 NE MARION 9.5 700 AM 1/20 COCORAHS
3 W PORT BAY 7.0 238 PM 1/19 TRAINED SPOTTER
2 SW WALWORTH 6.1 700 AM 1/20 COCORAHS
2 NW PALMYRA 4.1 800 AM 1/20 COCORAHS

...WYOMING COUNTY...
ARCADE 11.0 300 AM 1/19 TRAINED SPOTTER
6 SW WARSAW 8.0 430 AM 1/20 COOP OBSERVER
3 W WYOMING 4.4 700 AM 1/20 COOP OBSERVER

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The almost 2" of lake effect recently is my single largest snowfall this season (a little over 6" total since November).  Parts of Kentucky may match that tonight and tomorrow  :)    Snow has been relatively stingy to ENY the past handful of seasons (compared to areas to my south and east anyway).  One of these years we'll even out and have a series of coast huggers to enjoy.

The absence of synoptic snow across all of upstate NY is actually quite mind boggling at this point. I can't think of any snow we've had in BUF that hasn't been pure lake effect or lake enhanced.  Seeing places like DC have blizzard watches must be tough to swallow for folks in upstate NY outside lake effect snow areas sitting on 5 inches or less for the entire season.  

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The absence of synoptic snow across all of upstate NY is actually quite mind boggling at this point. I can't think of any snow we've had in BUF that hasn't been pure lake effect or lake enhanced.  Seeing places like DC have blizzard watches must be tough to swallow for folks in upstate NY outside lake effect snow areas sitting on 5 inches or less for the entire season.  

yep, sucks lol....I mean, we can't even buy an overrunning event!

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The absence of synoptic snow across all of upstate NY is actually quite mind boggling at this point. I can't think of any snow we've had in BUF that hasn't been pure lake effect or lake enhanced.  Seeing places like DC have blizzard watches must be tough to swallow for folks in upstate NY outside lake effect snow areas sitting on 5 inches or less for the entire season.  

 

I don't even remember our last synoptic system? Sometime in February right? I think Upstate has a decent Mid Feb to Late March in regards to synoptic.

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I have much respect for the NWS...however...they just don't seem to have a handle on LES, especially along the South shore. Just overnight, we received almost 12" new in NE Webster - and it's still coming down at ~1"/hr, causing major traffic issues. I know they raised advisories for Monroe & Wayne, but considering we were under a warning for almost 2 days earlier in the week and only squeaked out 4" or so...something's just not right.

 

What are they missing? Do we need a radar site between BUF & SYR?

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Irondequoit coming in at 9". And still snowing hard. Very localized last night. Perfect N flow on calm winds. Snowed like crazy! Surprise! Most of it showed on radar. Very high ratios ~20/1.

They simply have not figured out how to fcst South Lake Ontario LES. Maybe it's so meso they can't. I haven't either ( a given). Hell, I might of just gotten more snow than NYC gets Sunday

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Yep Vortmax! And often when their typical 'lake parameters' don't look impressive and air is dry. I've seen this many times. I can't predict it but recognize it when it starts. Usually: after fcst lake event, i.e. On back side of bust, low winds from NNW and a convergence zone. Winds just on shore were SW for a majority. The radar on these events almost always shows some kind of circulation. Usually a micro low circ/ counter clockwise. Last nights was clockwise.

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I have much respect for the NWS...however...they just don't seem to have a handle on LES, especially along the South shore. Just overnight, we received almost 12" new in NE Webster - and it's still coming down at ~1"/hr, causing major traffic issues. I know they raised advisories for Monroe & Wayne, but considering we were under a warning for almost 2 days earlier in the week and only squeaked out 4" or so...something's just not right.

 

What are they missing? Do we need a radar site between BUF & SYR?

Tea Kettling events are very hard to forecast and affect absolutely tiny areas of the lake shore.  It was a tough call for them.  The snow is usually pure fluff and not a huge deal to clean up.  I wouldnt give them too hard a time, its not like they are missing major events that impact large metro areas with well modeled bands.  These events almost drop below mesoscale resolution sometimes.  Oh well, I'll gladly take the bonus 2-3 inches I woke up to.  

 

I do agree that a radar in Rochester would be fantastic and drastically improve their nowcasting abilities.  It won't happen though

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