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Text soundings from the GFS at 00z, Tuesday (8pm Monday) are quite impressive for JFK.

Surface is 959mb with 38 knot winds. (44 mph)

950mb has 54 knot winds. (62 mph)

900mb has 86 knot winds. (99 mph)

850mb has 94 knot winds. (108 mph)

Near the ground, it's about a 10 meter to 1 mb ratio for the height to pressure ratio. So if the surface pressure is 959mb, then 950mb is only 90 meters off the ground. 850mb would be 1090 meters.

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Rainfall estimates 4-8 inches Long Island and NYC, 5-12 inches w CT, 3-6 e CT-RI-MA ... 10-20 se NY north of Yonkers to about Albany and in n/c NJ, s NJ, PHL, , 20-25 nw NJ ne PA sharp gradient to 5 in IPT-SYR and 1-2 in w NY, Toronto.

Where are you getting those qpf numbers? Are you pulling them out of your pocket? Not one model or forecaster is predicting 10-25 inches of rain in the region. I've been suspect to the low numbers the models are putting out north of the storm track, but realistically I think your numbers are way to extreme.

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Where are you getting those qpf numbers? Are you pulling them out of your pocket? Not one model or forecaster is predicting 10-25 inches of rain in the region. I've been suspect to the low numbers the models are putting out north of the storm track, but realistically I think your numbers are way to extreme.

I am curious of that too. I believe a day or so ago he gave some general reasonings for the qpf ideas he has. Obviously it goes against all modeling but this is an unprecedented scenario. If his numbers are even remotely correct then inland flooding will be extreme. Not many have discussed the qpf other than to confirm the models generally showing higher amounts S&W and less north. Could be many are so focused on winds that few are giving qpf a detailed look. Regardless I would love to hear is current detailed reasoning for those numbers.

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AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION

NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE NEW YORK NY

636 AM EDT SUN OCT 28 2012

.SHORT TERM /6 PM THIS EVENING THROUGH MONDAY NIGHT/...

DANGEROUS COASTAL STORM EXPECTED TONIGHT THROUGH TUESDAY...

IN ACCORDANCE WITH EXPECTED POST TROPICAL TRANSITION OF

SANDY...WIND FIELDS INCREASE SPATIALLY WITH LOW LEVEL WINDS REALLY

PICKING UP TONIGHT INTO MONDAY MORNING WITH 925MB WINDS INCREASING

TO 40 TO 55 KT. INCREASED WINDS LATE TONIGHT THROUGH MONDAY

MORNING WITH THE DEEPENING LOW APPROACHING AND PRESSURE GRADIENT

TIGHTENING. WINDS GUSTS EXPECTED TO BE IN THE RANGE OF 55 TO 60

MPH BY THAT POINT.

THE LOCAL AREA IS EXPECTED TO BE AFFECTED BY SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS

FROM SANDY STARTING TONIGHT AND CONTINUING INTO TUESDAY. GENERAL

OPERATION MODELS ARE LINING UP BETTER WITH TIMING...BRINGING THE

STORM IN MONDAY EVENING...AND WITH LANDFALL ALONG THE NJ COAST

INTO NYC. LATEST NHC FORECAST CONTINUES TO TREND NORTH AND

BRINGING THE STORM IN NEAR SOUTH TO CENTRAL NJ. THE STORM IS

STILL EXPECTED TO MAKE A TRANSITION INTO POST TROPICAL PRIOR TO

LANDFALL...BUT MAKE NO MISTAKE...THIS WILL BE A LARGE AND

DANGEROUS STORM FOR THE NORTHEAST/MID ATLANTIC.

BASED ON ABOVE...CONFIDENCE IS HIGH IN SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS TO THE

REGION.

IN TERMS OF WINDS...WINDS GRADUALLY INCREASING TO TROPICAL STORM

STRENGTH SUNDAY NIGHT INTO MONDAY MORNING. THE STRONGEST WINDS

WILL BE COINCIDENT WITH THE CLOSEST APPROACH AND LANDFALL OF

SANDY...MONDAY AFTERNOON INTO MONDAY NIGHT...WITH POTENTIAL FOR

SPEEDS OF 40-55MPH AND GUSTS 70-80MPH. THESE WINDS COULD BE 10 TO

15 MPH HIGHER IN ELEVATED LOCATIONS. IF THESE WINDS ARE

REALIZED...THE COMBINATION OF EVENT DURATION...SATURATED

GROUNDS...AND PARTIAL TO FULL FOLIAGE TREES...WOULD CAUSE

WIDESPREAD DOWNING OF TREES AND POWER LINES...CAUSING DISRUPTION

TO POWER AND POSSIBLY TRANSIT FOR SEVERAL DAYS. THESE WINDS WILL

ALSO RESULT IN SIGNIFICANT COASTAL IMPACTS...DETAILED IN THE TIDES

AND COASTAL FLOODING SECTIONS.

AS FOR RAINFALL...THE HEAVIEST RAINFALL IS EXPECTED MONDAY INTO

TUESDAY AS THE POWERFUL COASTAL STORM INTERACTS WITH INTENSE

JET/SHORTWAVE ENERGY...WITH 2 TO 6 INCHES RAINFALL POSSIBLE DURING

THIS TIME. THINKING THE HIGHEST RAINFALL AMOUNTS WILL BE SEEN

ACROSS THE CITY AND NORTHEAST NEW JERSEY...WHICH WILL BE CLOSER TO

THE CENTER OF CIRCULATION OF THE LOW WITH MORE INTENSE RAIN

EXPECTED FOR A LONGER TIME. SEE THE HYDROLOGY SECTIONS FOR MORE

ON THE FLOODING POTENTIAL.

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06z GFS run take Sandy into South Central NJ. No matter where in NJ this makes landfall, it will be a worse case scenario for NYC, Long Island, SNE.

Looks like Sandy rides i-195 and hooks the turnpike into Philly. Wild track. Landfall around PT Pleasant.

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...COASTAL FLOOD WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT FROM 4 PM THIS

AFTERNOON TO MIDNIGHT EDT MONDAY NIGHT...

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN MOUNT HOLLY HAS CANCELLED THE

HIGH SURF ADVISORY.

* LOCATION...THE ATLANTIC COAST OF NEW JERSEY AND DELAWARE.

* COASTAL FLOODING...MAJOR COASTAL FLOODING IS FORECAST FOR THE

MONDAY MORNING AND MONDAY EVENING HIGH TIDES. MODERATE COASTAL

FLOODING IS FORECAST FOR THIS EVENINGS HIGH TIDE AND WIDESPREAD

MINOR FLOODING IS EXPECTED WITH THIS MORNINGS HIGH TIDE CYCLE.

* HIGH SURF OF 15 TO 20 FEET DRIVEN BY FREQUENT 50 TO 60 MPH WIND

GUSTS WILL CONTRIBUTE TO THE FLOODING ON MONDAY...ESPECIALLY

MONDAY EVENING.

* A 4 TO 8 FEET STORM SURGE COINCIDING WITH THE MONDAY EVENING

HIGH TIDE IS LIKELY TO PRODUCE A RECORD FLOOD AS MEASURED AT

SANDY HOOK...POSSIBLY 1 TO 2 FEET HIGHER THAN EVER RECORDED

SINCE STORM TIDE RECORDS BEGAN AROUND THE 1940S.

* AT SANDY HOOK... NEW JERSEY (SANDY HOOK BAY)... THIS EVENINGS

HIGH TIDE OCCURS AT 741 PM... WITH A FORECAST TIDE LEVEL OF 7.5

TO 8.0 FEET ABOVE MEAN LOWER LOW WATER. THE MONDAY MORNING HIGH

TIDE OCCURS AT 801 AM... WITH A FORECAST TIDE LEVEL OF 9.0 TO

9.5 FEET ABOVE MEAN LOWER LOW WATER. THE MONDAY EVENING HIGH

TIDE OCCURS AT 822 PM...WITH A FORECAST TIDE LEVEL OF BETWEEN

10.5 AND 12.0 FEET...THIS LATTER PROJECTION SPECIFIC WITH THE

PATH OF SANDY CROSSING THE NEW JERSEY COAST LATE MONDAY EVENING.

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HURRICANE SANDY INTERMEDIATE ADVISORY NUMBER 24A...CORRECTED

NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL AL182012

800 AM EDT SUN OCT 28 2012

...SANDY EXPECTED TO BRING LIFE-THREATENING STORM SURGE FLOODING TO

THE MID-ATLANTIC COAST...INCLUDING LONG ISLAND SOUND AND NEW YORK

HARBOR...

...WINDS EXPECTED TO BE NEAR HURRICANE FORCE AT LANDFALL...

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951 pressure. :OMGSMILEY: And convection starting to really flare on the western side.. wonder if will have a chance at wrap-around once it starts the turn.

Anyone got a map of the SST that sandy's goin over?

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The NHC center actually increased the surge forecast, now 6 to 11 feet for the LI sounds, New York Harbor, and Raritan Bay. Still don't want to evacuate Bloomberg?

He really risks damaging his legacy, not to mention put thousands of people's lives at risk if he does not take some strong action today. Will be interesting to see how he spins it since NYC has been in the crosshairs for about 48 hours.

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