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4.3 this morning.

The 6z GFS, right on cue, again cuts into the chinook look. The CMC is now on board with this as well. One thing I am noticing in modeling is that across the board it is greatly modifying the warmth as it draws closer. We have seen this happen(in reverse) when advertised cold air masses(which are supposed to last for days....modify and are merely a frontal passage. Right now, the 20th and 22nd look ripe for decent cold fronts. Is it possible the deterministic models were to quick in bringing in the chinook and it still may materialize? Maybe. The chinook pattern has been pushed back by at least 10 days by my count so far. I think it likely we see some chinooks, and some inevitable warm days. I mean, we are due some warm days. TRI has been BN since Nov 26 - every, single day. That is a stretch of nearly three weeks without a single day AN. We live in the sub tropics - it is going to try to get warm in a multitude of ways. TRI has recorded a trace or more of snowfall seven days this month. IMBY, that probably adds up to maybe a couple of inches. The number of days(not the total) with a trace or more is way AN. Right now, TRI is -6.8 to start the month. As for 84-85, JB mentioned it last week. I didn't bring it to the forum with much discussion, because that is a landmark winter. I did mention it to one poster on a sidebar to record the thought, and see what they thought. I pulled the 500 pattern to look at it - made the map myself. The 500 pattern looks exactly the same. It is another reason I have been saying to be careful not to cancel winters. And hey, we may go the way of dreaded '89 or we may score like 95-96 or we may chart an entirely new course (more likely). With so much cold available, all it would take is a decent NAO or EPO...and it discharges. I don't think we go 84-85...but 95-96(light) would be the ceiling in my book. But I think the hand wringing over an inevitable warm-up after three weeks of cold is not something this forum has traditionally taken part in, and hasn't this time. We pride ourselves in not devolving into group think. I also think it very important to look at model biases, and learn to factor those into thinking. The Pac NW feedback is real, and it causes erroneous solutions at least for the dates Dec 15-22. Let's see if that continues. Infinite loops are real problems in computer programming, and wx models are not immune. There is one other winter where this feedback occurred. I will try to dig that winter up today. Our conversations were almost identical as now. I have noted many times. In the IDF(Israeli Defense Forces), if everyone agrees...one person is required to take the other side. It prevents mistakes. I am thankful this forum doesn't try to drown out opposing viewpoints. I think we do a pretty good job of that.

10 when I left the house but hit 1 on the car therm through the rurals. Also .2” of daily snowfall.

14F at 6:30am. Colder than yesterday at this time which was 16F...

looks mild and boring

16 this morning!

The 1989-90 winter saw what was probably the biggest complete pattern flip in the last 50+ years. We went from a record cold arctic ice box from November through the end of December, then there was a big cutter on New Year’s Eve and a light switch flip to a full on torch for all of January and February

insane amounts of snow in British Columbia.. found a 397 amount.. https://www.pivotalweather.com/model.php?m=gfs&p=snku_acc-imp&rh=2025121606&fh=384&r=conus&dpdt=&mc=

COLDEST DECEMBER 1-15 SINCE 2005 Every single day of December 2025 has been cooler than average so far. The last day with above normal temperatures was November 26th (almost 3 weeks ago)! Fear not - the warm up starts today & continues through Thursday.

You have a great eye for photography and video like Don. I used to be much more active in photography years ago. Enjoyed walking around and taking photos in Manhattan. I would shoot rolls of Kodachrome 64 color snd Tri-x 400 black film. There was an old place that rented darkrooms by the hour at 20W 20th street to develop the black and white. It’s much more convent these days with mobile photography and software.

Wasn’t on the euro

Currently 9° coldest of the season.

I got six inches of snow, followed by many hours of freezing drizzle. Felt like a bust, with how much the TV mets were hyping it up.

Still looks like seasonable cold after Friday mornings torch, Christmas eve Miracle still alive and well.. Ops will waffle with this still we start trying to nail down the placement of it if it's still there this weekend..

I’m sniffing a more moderate mid-late December period as opposed to welcome to Spring with periodic precipitation chances. A relaxation was inevitable

Coldest morning of the year yesterday Imby at 10.2. 19.9 so far this AM. .

Well it's 14F with 7" of snow outside now. It's going to be quite different. Everyone was posting about models biasing cold earlier in the year, but PNA's at -2 to -3std for an extended period stick. Models don't bust that bad and they don't change to cold in the pattern late Dec/early Jan.

Jay was teporting 97" avout 3wks ago. Now over 177". I know Jay slant sticks at times, but closing in on 200" seems fake. Maybe their video is AI, lol Sent from my SM-S921U using Tapatalk

Thanks. I’m sure this brings you great joy.

The Annual Xmas Torch is back on. lol what a mean rug pull. 6z is looking no better.

If that were to hurt or kill someone can the owner be held liable Sent from my SM-S921U using Tapatalk

I’m at 5.

Temp down to 21 this morning.

I ended up bottoming out at 17 yesterday morning and hit a high of 26. Am currently at the same low of 17 with dp 14. Looks like a warm-up and rain by the end of the week and then another cold shot. That means that snow piles and plowed mounds will saturate with the rain and then freeze into glaciers.