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Right now…they’re calling for a half inch of rain up there…not overly horrible. But I’d love it to be even less than that.

From Jason Boyer- AVL’s 30-year average snowfall has dropped from 14” to 10.2”. That’s 27% less snow annually.

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Wakefield put 4 inches where I live and I got 6 inches. They did it again. Summary of December 8, 2025 Snowstorm

LWX is confident too much sfc stability, but I’m not so sure we don’t get some sort of dynamics that could break through. Won’t be widespread.

Need to get thru friday and early saturday up there, But it looks like snow showers off and on thereafter for a couple days, Have to wait to see how things shake out next week, But i think up there some of these clippers or overrunning events are going to pan out .

yes, you have proven your criteria and expectations are outlandish.

Winter 2025-2026 is off to the 37th best start in terms of cold and snow in New York City. Records go back to 1869-1870.

We’re hoping for a week from Friday…the 26th for St Agatha. They’re grooming and in decent shape up there…but Friday is gonna be key. And if they can grab something after Friday? So the less rain the better way up there for our possible plans.

SWFE.

6 and 8 days away respectively…so lots will morph and change over the next 4-5 days. But at least there’s some potential.

The pack should be able to absorb that amount, That's a good idea though going out tomorrow, Someone asked on FB if they thought trails would be good to come up and ride this weekend........lol, Stay the hell off of them after this storm and let them freeze back up.

the 23rd and 26th are both pretty interesting as vorts come over the top of that C US ridge. could be some WAA thumps

We're in this pattern for a while I'm afraid. I think after New Years. Maybe middle of January.

I'm praying for a 18z GFS scenario, almost all other guidance has us well over 1 inch of QPF. Maybe it'll have a clue. We can survive 0.75, our snow is light and fluffy and will compact and we'd be back in business with another 6-8 inches. Riding from the house tomorrow afternoon for a quick 70 mile loop with some buddies in case Friday goes real sour.

This is going to be nothing special really, I mean gust to 40 mph happens here a lot.

I remember. Dump trucks were taking snow away

One of my ideas is that La Nina slows down the subtropical jet and enhances the polar jet along the US-Canada border (going into winter months) You can see on this chart the 30-day 250mb jet stream has been much less westerly than normal from Hawaii to San Francisco, which makes lots of sense with this idea. I also think the La Nina leads to greater wind events for Colorado. (Like today) There is definitely an upper level ridge in the averages, over the Pac NW, leading to lower precipitation out West. And a large Greenland block-Labrador Sea block.

Not to me. No interest in rain and overhyped wind gusts of a pedestrian magnitude.

2" - 4" for Christmas would be solid

Poor Timmy where is that 50 plus degrees you were preaching about for Christmas Day earlier this week? LOL

And Midlo VA Snowmaker, who often posted in the mid-Atlantic forum.

18z GFS is a SER nightmare

Speaking for myself on the chinook discussion, I didn’t intend to imply that it would directly affect us with warmth for a long period of time. The problem, in my mind, is the existence of the chinook pattern itself, even though it has really only caused warmth in MT, CO, WY, NE, SD. This has been going on for several weeks. Places like Denver, Cheyenne, and Rapid City have essentially had no winter so far, and unfortunately that looks to continue for the rest of the month. Joe Bastardi, or perhaps a different met, has a saying about “the angle of the cold”. In a chinook pattern, the angle of the cold is wrong for us, for two reasons. First, even when it does stay cold here, it’s very dry and boring due to NW flow. Second, the warmth is always lurking, because we’re on the far western edge of the cold airmass. So, any minor change in the flow quickly makes it warmer here. That happened last week in my neck of the woods, where a couple of good early season snowfalls melted away because the warmth out west pivoted over here…even though it only lasted for a few days. The point of all this is that, to me, it’s a much better pattern for all of us when there is no chinook at all. I like to see highs come down into the western plains, creating upslope snow in MT/WY/CO, then the cold eventually trickles east and lasts for awhile. Basically, I’m describing a -EPO from a more “on the ground” perspective. I just think the current pattern (starting around 12/5) has been very obnoxious, and unfortunately it looks to continue for 10 more days. Definitely good to see some light at the end of the tunnel, and it can’t come soon enough.

A trace means essentially at least one snowflake or sleet pellet was observed. That’s it, not measurable. You could have 100 TR events and it wouldn’t equate to measurable snow. So if those maps show 3 TR events for your backyard you still haven’t seen measurable. That being said, looking at those maps I’d say 50% of the state has seen 0.10” which technically is measurable. Someone can correct me, but I don’t think snow is considered measurable unless you have 0.10”, but that’s still a low bar. By no means is anyone thrilled with 0.10” but seeing 50% of the state with “measurable” snow by Christmas hasn’t happened since 2018 and with the BN temps it’s at least has been wintry.