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But there is a discrepancy in station data from moves. It all depends, like moving to/from large bodies of water, or inner city/town to more semi-rural/rural or vice versa, and significant elevation changes. Then you'll get diurnal changes, regardless of the equipment used. Then you have micro site changes that can affect that as well. Long term records are fraught with this stuff. It is what it is, and there has been lots of debate on adjustments that are made, or not made. Won't go any further with that.

A few nice views heading up here yesterday.

He knew

This happened earlier. You can't even see the city names near Denver because the screen is covered with local storm report hail icons and MPING hail icons. Probably the new storm north of US-36 is the storm that chasers are heading to now.

I wouldn't have any problem with the notion that this is too cold for it's own deep layer mean, a failing not uncommon to ensembles at this range. Aside, the idea was 'modestly impressive' - we're not looking for a UK redux just yet.

Definitely looks warm. Thought I saw rain though

This is what DTW Jan-May warmest mins look like. ASOS mins rather robust compared to pre aprt years by the looks of it. Man, some people's kids I tell ya! 1998 mint 37.5 1 1 1 0 2012 mint 36.7 2 2 2 0 2024 mint 36.4 3 3 3 0 1921 mint 35.8 4 4 4 0 2017 mint 35.6 5 5 5 0 2006 mint 35.1 6 6 6 0 1882 mint 34.9 7 7 7 0 1880 mint 34.5 8 8 8 0 2023 mint 34.4 9 9 9 0 2010 mint 34.4 9 9 10 0 1991 mint 34.4 9 9 11 0 1878 mint 34.1 12 10 12 0

Summer's of our most recent 2 Strong/Super El Nino's 2015 was strong +PDO We are nothing like 1997 anymore

Some impressive hail and localized rain Denver and metro south and east. But a nice cell that was headed my direction dried up before it got to me.

I know 2002 was dry. I don't think there are actually many cases of hot Summer's in El Nino. Something global is shifting around now, jet stream is lifting north. Edit: 2002 was above average

Any cases of an emerging El Nino with a hot summer, then a cold and wet winter?

Spring finished tied w/ 1987 & 2000 for 8th warmest on record of 153 at Detroit. Naturally it was 100% due to March/April, as May finished cooler than avg. An about face from the 44th coldest winter.

That grimy looks like it sits up over NNE or maybe CNE. leaving us warner and more humid. Nino Climo it looks like

@yotaman I know you got a lot today it was coming down hard in new Bern and James city a little while ago on 70 road was flooded in the construction area

Until next week

I've been thinking about starting a thread but I just don't have high enough hopes for the Winter right now

indeed In 2023 when Detroit failed to surpass 90F for the first time since 1915, I was told it was the wildfires fault that the max temps were held down. The warmer summer mins were noticeable in holding up the avg temp. NOW....the mins are lower because of an ASOS upgrade . Whats funny...is that the mins STILL run warmer at Detroit (DTW) than all surrounding areas. So I guess every other AWOS, personal weather station etc is in on the min temp conspiracy. The 2026 min temp to date (Jan-May) at DTW is 31.1F. Just 10 miles west at YIP it is 29.4F at 25 miles west of DTW it is 26.7F. Even 25 miles NE in the actual city, Detroit City airport min temp is 31.0F. DTW 31.1 DET 31.0 YIP 29.4 ARB 26.7 Looking at the cold month of January, mins at those same locations: DTW 13.8 DET 14.9 YIP 12.0 ARB 9.0 DTW is the only regulated ASOS station, so it would be the only one that this mysterious min mania applies to. And yet, it is the warmest in the area year-to-date.

Boy would I love a -EPO in Super El Nino. That's probably the best combo. CPC is disregarding the CANSIPS completely in their seasonal outlook, and 1 year ago around this time CANSIPS had a large part of the Midwest/Great Lakes -4 to -6 for the month of July at 0.0 month lead and it ended up positive departure across the board. It did do well in lead the last 2 Winter's though, although severely underestimating the warmth in the Mountain West, which I don't think anything got actually.

I just figured Isaias was retired

Got nailed today. Ping pong sized hail and .45" in 30 minutes.

Summer begins Wednesday with 80+ moving forward ! Finally

If I remember correctly, your records go back to 1973?