November 2025 general discussions and probable topic derailings ...

[WinterWolf]

3 minutes ago, Cobalt said:

Only about 10% of the literature from the time predicted global cooling. Don't conflate your feelings with reality.

It’s a flawed science..period.  Theres nothing to conflate.  And that’s that. 

[Typhoon Tip]

3 minutes ago, WinterWolf said:

It’s a flawed science..period.  Theres nothing to conflate.  And that’s that. 

Is it possible that the scaffolding that builds up the antithetical position may be flawed science ? 

 

 

[Cobalt]

3 minutes ago, WinterWolf said:

It’s a flawed science..period.  Theres nothing to conflate.  And that’s that. 

It's flawed because.. a majority of the research from 50 years ago was correct? That your false recollection from that time of

12 minutes ago, WinterWolf said:

In the 70’s we were told the temp was going down, and an ice age was coming.

Is just completely and entirely based off of feelings and false memories? I hate to have been the crass out-of-forumer that butted my head in and dragged this on way longer than it needed to, but genuinely, there are incredibly smart people in this forum all around you. They have separated their feelings from the facts and have portrayed the information in the plainest text possible, yet you stick your head in the sand. Vapid retorts of stale talking points and astroturfed ideologies that favor comforting lies over the truth. There is no cure for such viewpoints but time itself. 

[dendrite]

We’ve added 100ppm to the CO2 concentration since 1970.

[Cobalt]

1 minute ago, dendrite said:

We’ve added 100ppm to the CO2 concentration since 1970.

Obviously that's done nothing to the climate because in Antarctica it's gone from unfathomably cold to just ridiculously cold. 

[ineedsnow]

19 minutes ago, Typhoon Tip said:

yeah, it's unlikely to be right

 

Nothing else shows it.. I was waiting for it to drop it at 12z though..guessing 0z it will be gone

[WinterWolf]

3 minutes ago, Cobalt said:

It's flawed because.. a majority of the research from 50 years ago was correct? That your false recollection from that time of

Is just completely and entirely based off of feelings and false memories? I hate to have been the crass out-of-forumer that butted my head in and dragged this on way longer than it needed to, but genuinely, there are incredibly smart people in this forum all around you. They have separated their feelings from the facts and have portrayed the information in the plainest text possible, yet you stick your head in the sand. Vapid retorts of stale talking points and astroturfed ideologies that favor comforting lies over the truth. There is no cure for such viewpoints but time itself. 

I appreciate your concern. That’s your take on things. I do not agree. I believe that any of this short term warming(with regard to a global time scale, not man’s)  is transitory, and will revert back at a later time.   Do I feel we should all be good stewards of the planet as much reasonably possible…absolutely.  But I just don’t buy in to it..I’m sorry. 
 

Now, you can believe I’m sticking my head in the sand, I however do not feel that I am. I’d appreciate it if you left it at that.  I will not be going over to the CC change thread, so feel free to go there and discuss it all that you want. 

[Typhoon Tip]

Well, anyway ...   the increased variability and variance range ( large warm to cellar cold) that's been observably increasing during both autumn and spring ( transition seasons ) has already been geophysically demonstrated to be a function of CC. The altering of the circulation modes during those times of the year causes jet stream 'meanders' that increase frequency of transient blocking in the Ferrel latitudes ( up there around 60 N).  Those impose unusually early ( and late season) cold and snow delivery to mid latitudes.  But the integral of the whole Earth at the time that is occurring is in a state of d(warmth). 

But ... if one cannot understand the reality of CC to begin with... not sure how explaining why the circulation modes are changing, as part of CC, will ever get successfully registered.  

Not understanding how or why something works, is not a veracious reason to adjudicate a subject matter as false.   I suspect though that isn't the case here;  no one is lacking the intellectual capacity; the lack of admitting or acceptance is most likely for political bias blinding.  

 

[WinterWolf]

17 minutes ago, Typhoon Tip said:

Is it possible that the scaffolding that builds up the antithetical position may be flawed science ? 

 

 

Anything is possible.
 

Is it possible the micro-second that we’ve been here on this planet, has nothing to do with any warming or cooling going on possible?  

[powderfreak]

9 minutes ago, WinterWolf said:

I appreciate your concern. That’s your take on things. I do not agree. I believe that any of this short term warming(with regard to a global time scale, not man’s)  is transitory, and will revert back at a later time.   Do I feel we should all be good stewards of the planet as much reasonably possible…absolutely.  But I just don’t buy in to it..I’m sorry. 

Now, you can believe I’m sticking my head in the sand, I however do not feel that I am. I’d appreciate it if you left it at that.  I will not be going over to the CC change thread, so feel free to go there and discuss it all that you want. 

So you do buy into the idea that at this present time the climate is warming?

It seems like a few times you've alluded to a warming climate and accept that... but then when someone else says its warming, you make it sound like its nonsense.

Sorry to drag it out, I think understanding viewpoints is important so like to ask questions.  I'm mostly curious with: Do you think it is warming? (I do not care how the cause plays into this discussion).

[Baroclinic Zone]

ChatGPT just told be the earth is warming faster than typical background warming. No flaws in that logic.

[butterfish55]

We filled the main discussion thread with dozens of posts about snowmobiles when the weather was boring a few weeks ago.  No one was yelling "Bring that fucking shit to the banter thread!!"...

[WinterWolf]

13 minutes ago, powderfreak said:

So you do buy into the idea that at this present time the climate is warming?

It seems like a few times you've alluded to a warming climate and accept that... but then when someone else says its warming, you make it sound like its nonsense.

Sorry to drag it out, I think understanding viewpoints is important so like to ask questions.  I'm mostly curious with: Do you think it is warming? (I do not care how the cause plays into this discussion).

I feel my position is any short term(again on a global time scale)warming that is, or may be currently happening, is insignificant, and will revert back the other way, just as any cooling also did. It’s these fluctuations that is our climate. I do not feel it is caused by us.  And the globe has done this for eons before we were here(and on a massive scale at times) , and will continue to do it long after we are gone. 
 

That’s my feeling. Nobody has to agree. I do not bring it up. Others do, and bust balls..and that’s cool too, but I don’t try and change anybody’s mind…believe and feel what you want. 
 

It’s all good.. getting out of work, and going to drink some beer now.  Hoping for a fast start to this years winter.  Have a great evening gentlemen. 

[TauntonBlizzard2013]

2 hours ago, dendrite said:

We might. We might not. We just don’t know yet.

Not going to lie, I think it’s pretty garbage that we cater to an anti-science crowd and temper tantrums, when it comes to the very obvious human influenced warming of the earth. On a science and weather forum no less.

Just calling it like it is.

[TauntonBlizzard2013]

47 minutes ago, butterfish55 said:

We filled the main discussion thread with dozens of posts about snowmobiles when the weather was boring a few weeks ago.  No one was yelling "Bring that fucking shit to the banter thread!!"...

well, pretty soon the snowmobile crowd will be relegated to northern Manitoba, so those posts will be gone.

Driving 20 hours to find snow for snowmobiling 

[dendrite]

31 minutes ago, TauntonBlizzard2013 said:

Not going to lie, I think it’s pretty garbage that we cater to an anti-science crowd and temper tantrums, when it comes to the very obvious human influenced warming of the earth. On a science and weather forum no less.

Just calling it like it is.

Well that’s why I don’t even debate temps anymore. It’s hard to know how much could be a natural cycle vs anthropogenic induced. Obviously we know there’s a lot of heat being added in order to raise the ocean temps and melt the arctic ice/permafrost, but it’s more difficult comparing changes in 2m temps globally…heck we have a hard enough time doing it with a single station with siting changes. 

But for me there’s no getting around the runaway CO2 levels. I’ve said it many times, but just clean that up and let the temps be whatever they may be. Who wants all of those emissions in the atmosphere anyway? I just don’t understand why it has to come down across party lines. It’s so mind numbingly dumb. 

[KoalaBeer]

I’ll come out of hibernation and bite against my better judgement. It’s funny (or not) how CC became such a bipartisan issue. I was watching the documentary The White House Effect on Netflix last night and didn’t realize how seriously the bush administration took global warming, at first accepting the scientific facts but eventually whitewashing it as up to debate. 
 

How much we have regressed since then is depressing. It should not be a D vs R issue.

Anyways hope all of you are well. Just got a snowmaking gun delivered to work today so I’ll be making and frolicking in the white stuff before the rest of you weenies. 

[cleetussnow]

14 minutes ago, dendrite said:

Well that’s why I don’t even debate temps anymore. It’s hard to know how much could be a natural cycle vs anthropogenic induced. Obviously we know there’s a lot of heat being added in order to raise the ocean temps and melt the arctic ice/permafrost, but it’s more difficult comparing changes in 2m temps globally…heck we have a hard enough time doing it with a single station with siting changes. 

But for me there’s no getting around the runaway CO2 levels. I’ve said it many times, but just clean that up and let the temps be whatever they may be. Who wants all of those emissions in the atmosphere anyway? I just don’t understand why it has to come down across party lines. It’s so mind numbingly dumb. 

Like I said.  I believe in CC and that men can’t have babies.  Somehow both are heavily political

[TauntonBlizzard2013]

12 minutes ago, dendrite said:

Well that’s why I don’t even debate temps anymore. It’s hard to know how much could be a natural cycle vs anthropogenic induced. Obviously we know there’s a lot of heat being added in order to raise the ocean temps and arctic ice/permafrost, but it’s more difficult comparing changes in 2m temps globally…heck we have a hard enough time doing it with a single station with siting changes. 

But for me there’s no getting around the runaway CO2 levels. I’ve said it many times, but just clean that up and let the temps be whatever they may be. Who wants all of those emissions in the atmosphere anyway? I just don’t understand why it has to come down across party lines. It’s so mind numbingly dumb. 

Correct, it shouldn’t be political, it’s just facts.

We know certain human processes are bad for the environment, yet some people choose to believe otherwise. All in the name of owning the opposing political party, I guess?

[Ginx snewx]

6 hours ago, dendrite said:

I don’t even want to debate warming or melting. Can we all just agree that the CO2 isn’t normal? Can we at least try to get that back down to the baseline? It shouldn’t be a partisan thing. We’re all science people here. 

So parts ppm got it. Hey maybe look elsewhere as well before putting all your chicken eggs in the basket. Why does it have to be one thing. Underwater volcanoes, the sun output, water vapor affects on night time lows etc. We can discuss rationaly. Not laugh or demean (Scooter)

By the way finishing construction of new coop and connected hoop coop. Getting there new solar auto door light sensitive or programmed. 

[HIPPYVALLEY]

This place has been  today. 

[dendrite]

2 minutes ago, Ginx snewx said:

So parts ppm got it. Hey maybe look elsewhere as well before putting all your chicken eggs in the basket. Why does it have to be one thing. Underwater volcanoes, the sun output, water vapor affects on night time lows etc. We can discuss rationaly. Not laugh or demean (Scooter)

By the way finishing construction of new coop and connected hoop coop. Getting there new solar auto door light sensitive or programmed. 

What has triggered the sudden increase in CO2 from baseline over the last hundred or so years then? And there’s no sign of it leveling off. In theory a warmer atmosphere from more trapped heat can hold more water too…hence the higher dewpoint levels.

But you have been a fan of the sediment and ice core data in the past and they have ways to determine the annual CO2 from those layers. Like the graph I posted earlier shows, it’s pretty much ranged from 200-300ppm over the last 800k years. So 425ppm and steadily climbing isn’t normal variation…at least it isn’t to my eyes.

Nice on the coop door. I’ve been wanting one, but I’m always afraid something will fail and it will open up at night. My birds are molting hard right now. Big winter incoming? I got them all winterized yesterday.

[Ginx snewx]

3 hours ago, CoastalWx said:

Data is not left or right, it's data. 

Its more the condescending elitist manner that defines some here. Fucking science constantly evolves what we think to be true scientifically sometimes isn't.  I know the earth is warming but there's always the yin and yang theorem. It would be nice to read more discussions rather than I know all because I am scientist. Its what went wrong in America.Ya know some of us deplorables can think rationaly 

[Typhoon Tip]

2 hours ago, WinterWolf said:

Anything is possible.
 

Is it possible the micro-second that we’ve been here on this planet, has nothing to do with any warming or cooling going on possible?  

What is your reticence in accepting this very simple, objectively real fact that anthropomorphic C02 forcing is causing an acceleration of warming?  

You either lack the mental capacity, or you are fucking with us...either way, this grows tiresome and in fact - it matters that it is growing tiresome, because people like you, not respecting the peril the world is facing, are ultimately a detriment to finding a salvation from and panacea for this crisis. 

I'll explain this once in simple words:  Yes, obvious records reveal that climate varies naturally over a wide range of time scales, but never as fast as since the Industrial Revolution. And as others have directly described in no uncertain terms, this has been verified by atmospheric chemistry to be 1:1 correlated to  C02 surplus that cannot be explained as originating from any other source.  

Moreover, "normal variability"  ( to which you don't know your ass from a hole in the ground frankly because you have no accredidation to demonstrate otherwise ) cannot explain the observed warming since the 1950s - until the C02 humanity is responsible for is factored.  Hook line and sinker.  It is therefore among the most extremely likely scenarios known to statistical math, > 95%, that human C02 ( and actually there are also other industrial out-gassing that contribute, btw) is the cause of that warming.

There is no other cause.   Global Warming is happening because of anthropomorphic forcing.   

The beauty of all this is that it is true whether you believe it or not.  

[SJonesWX]

1 hour ago, butterfish55 said:

We filled the main discussion thread with dozens of posts about snowmobiles when the weather was boring a few weeks ago.  No one was yelling "Bring that fucking shit to the banter thread!!"...

I BELIEVE IN SNOWMOBILES!

[Ginx snewx]

7 minutes ago, dendrite said:

What has triggered the sudden increase in CO2 from baseline over the last hundred or so years then? And there’s no sign of it leveling off. In theory a warmer atmosphere from more trapped heat can hold more water too…hence the higher dewpoint levels.

But you have been a fan of the sediment and ice core data in the past and they have ways to determine the annual CO2 from those layers. Like the graph I posted earlier shows, it’s pretty much ranged from 200-300ppm over the last 800k years. So 425ppm and steadily climbing isn’t normal variation…at least it isn’t to my eyes.

Nice on the coop door. I’ve been wanting one, but I’m always afraid something will fail and it will open up at night. My birds are molting hard right now. Big winter incoming? I got them all winterized yesterday.

Looks freaking good Brian .The hoop coop and mid construction.  Don't have the latest but we have the door up nesting boxes attached finishing up insulation and interior cedar planking

[Brewbeer]

52 minutes ago, TauntonBlizzard2013 said:

 On a science and weather forum no less.

weather forum

19 minutes ago, TauntonBlizzard2013 said:

people choose to believe 

that's why we shouldn't call this a science forum, people "choose to believe" without the desire or intent to hold those beliefs up to the intense and focused light of the scientific method

 

[Ginx snewx]

10 minutes ago, Typhoon Tip said:

What is your reticence in accepting this very simple, objectively real fact that anthropomorphic C02 forcing is causing an acceleration of warming?  

You either lack the mental capacity, or you are fucking with us...either way, this grows tiresome and in fact - it matters that it is growing tiresome, because people like you, not respecting the peril the world is facing, are ultimately a detriment to finding a salvation from and panacea for this crisis. 

I'll explain this once in simple words:  Yes, obvious records reveal that climate varies naturally over a wide range of time scales, but never as fast as since the Industrial Revolution. And as others have directly described in no uncertain terms, this has been verified by atmospheric chemistry to be 1:1 correlated to  C02 surplus that cannot be explained as originating from any other source. 

Moreover, "normal variability"  ( to which you don't know your ass from a hole in the ground frankly because you have no accredidation to demonstrate otherwise ) cannot explain the observed warming since the 1950s - until the C02 humanity is responsible for is factored.  Hook line and sinker.  Case close.  It is therefore among the most extremely likely scenarios known to statistical math, > 95%, that human C02 ( and actually there are also other industrial out-gassing that contribute, btw) the dominant cause of that warming.

There is no other cause.   Global Warming is happening because of anthropomorphic forcing.   

The beauty of all this is that it is true whether you believe it or not.  

Please this is exactly what I am talking about. What an asshole

[Brewbeer]

1 hour ago, butterfish55 said:

We filled the main discussion thread with dozens of posts about snowmobiles when the weather was boring a few weeks ago.  No one was yelling "Bring that fucking shit to the banter thread!!"...

we are polluting the atmosphere we all rely on for life, I imagine that makes all of us somewhat uncomfortable, to some degree 

[Ginx snewx]

7 minutes ago, Brewbeer said:

weather forum

that's why we shouldn't call this a science forum, people "choose to believe" without the desire or intent to hold those beliefs up to the intense and focused light of the scientific method

 

This post is from a guy who ignores science occurring in real time. Good lord