MD Snow Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 I’ll be in Florida lol And I’m sure, reminding us of our perfect track rain storm! . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blizzard of 93 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 8 minutes ago, psuhoffman said: I’ll be in Florida lol Phillies spring training in Clearwater? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blizzard of 93 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 11 minutes ago, MD Snow said: March 9-12 might end up being interesting for someone along the east coast… . The latest Extended GEFS also shows a workable pattern from mid March onward. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pazzo83 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 2 hours ago, Stormchaserchuck1 said: I think the rotation of the Earth has slowed a little.. we are seeing more High pressure systems. land vs water friction also seems to be a little greater (cold coming more from Canada vs 50/50 low cold). You think? You know we can measure this, right? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormtracker Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 2 hours ago, Stormchaserchuck1 said: I think the rotation of the Earth has slowed a little.. we are seeing more High pressure systems. land vs water friction also seems to be a little greater (cold coming more from Canada vs 50/50 low cold). 1 19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pazzo83 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 2 minutes ago, stormtracker said: we can measure things like the speed of the planet's rotation with incredible precision, but he "thinks" it slowed down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pazzo83 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 let's call up NASA - "hey guys, I think the Earth's rotation is slowing down, do y'all check that?" 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Boone Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 2 hours ago, Stormchaserchuck1 said: I think the rotation of the Earth has slowed a little.. we are seeing more High pressure systems. land vs water friction also seems to be a little greater (cold coming more from Canada vs 50/50 low cold). May lend to the Earth standing still. Hmm.. The day the Earth stood still. Never watched that Movie. Just carrying on with you man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psuhoffman Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 How does it rotate when it’s flat? 1 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Balti Zen Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 29 minutes ago, psuhoffman said: How does it rotate when it’s flat? On a big turntable 2 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbmclean Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 1 hour ago, pazzo83 said: we can measure things like the speed of the planet's rotation with incredible precision, but he "thinks" it slowed down. He's correct, at least about the slowing part. https://www.science.org/content/article/ancient-eclipses-show-earth-s-rotation-slowing 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grhqofb5 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 2 hours ago, psuhoffman said: How does it rotate when it’s flat? Like a record. Except the 300 ft ice wall in Antarctica that no one ever flys over. Because there’s continents on the other side. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAPE Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 4 hours ago, cbmclean said: He's correct, at least about the slowing part. https://www.science.org/content/article/ancient-eclipses-show-earth-s-rotation-slowing I think Chuck might be referring to influences such as east Asian mountain torque on the earth's rotation. The hints in his post are mentions of friction and more high pressure. A +EAMT opposes the earth's rotation, and to conserve angular momentum there is an increase in westerly winds in the atmosphere(stronger jet stream). 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gopper Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 14 hours ago, Stormchaserchuck1 said: I think the rotation of the Earth has slowed a little.. we are seeing more High pressure systems. land vs water friction also seems to be a little greater (cold coming more from Canada vs 50/50 low cold). I think the tilt is off as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psuhoffman Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 10 hours ago, Blizzard of 93 said: Phillies spring training in Clearwater? Visiting family 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psuhoffman Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 3 hours ago, CAPE said: I think Chuck might be referring to influences such as east Asian mountain torque on the earth's rotation. The hints in his post are mentions of friction and more high pressure. A +EAMT opposes the earth's rotation, and to conserve angular momentum there is an increase in westerly winds in the atmosphere(stronger jet stream). That’s more plausible. Thanks for translating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interstate Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 9 hours ago, Daniel Boone said: May lend to the Earth standing still. Hmm.. The day the Earth stood still. Never watched that Movie. Just carrying on with you man You saved yourself two hours of your life. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbmclean Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 3 hours ago, CAPE said: I think Chuck might be referring to influences such as east Asian mountain torque on the earth's rotation. The hints in his post are mentions of friction and more high pressure. A +EAMT opposes the earth's rotation, and to conserve angular momentum there is an increase in westerly winds in the atmosphere(stronger jet stream). I know I take things literally but I was not being serious about the infinitesimally slow decrease in rotation rate causing climate impacts on a decadal scale. I was just poking a bit of fun at those mocking Chuck. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbmclean Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 3 minutes ago, psuhoffman said: Visiting family Can you stop by Wilson, NC on the way down, pick up their snow climatology and take it back to them? I don't want it here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarlet Pimpernel Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 9 hours ago, psuhoffman said: How does it rotate when it’s flat? OK Kyrie, we have absolute definitive proof that the earth CANNOT be flat. Proven by none other than our feline friends millennia ago! 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAPE Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 27 minutes ago, psuhoffman said: That’s more plausible. Thanks for translating. Sometimes I get Chuck speak, other times not so much lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terpeast Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 1 hour ago, CAPE said: Sometimes I get Chuck speak, other times not so much lol. I guess it depends on which days. Sometimes what he says makes perfect sense and perfectly summarizes what was nagging in my mind and couldn’t put my finger on it. Other times, I’m like 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psuhoffman Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 FWIW guidance is still on pace for the longwave pattern to shift between March 10 to March 15. The problem is the whole continent is torched and so it would take another week after that before lower level thermals are even remotely cold enough in the east and by then were getting into the timeframe that boundary temps along 95 are really a problem. Places NW with elevation its still possible maybe March 20 on hey could sneak in something...I'm skeptical even there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anotherman Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 18 minutes ago, psuhoffman said: FWIW guidance is still on pace for the longwave pattern to shift between March 10 to March 15. The problem is the whole continent is torched and so it would take another week after that before lower level thermals are even remotely cold enough in the east and by then were getting into the timeframe that boundary temps along 95 are really a problem. Places NW with elevation its still possible maybe March 20 on hey could sneak in something...I'm skeptical even there. At this point, I'm hoping this can prevent us from having disgusting weather in April and May. If it can give us a cool spring, I'm all for it. Anything to put off the oppressive heat and humidity.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
87storms Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 16 minutes ago, anotherman said: At this point, I'm hoping this can prevent us from having disgusting weather in April and May. If it can give us a cool spring, I'm all for it. Anything to put off the oppressive heat and humidity.... I want a humid, sloppy spring and summer. The theme of last year was dry/drought/wildfire smoke...I would prefer to not have a repeat of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osfan24 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 51 minutes ago, psuhoffman said: FWIW guidance is still on pace for the longwave pattern to shift between March 10 to March 15. The problem is the whole continent is torched and so it would take another week after that before lower level thermals are even remotely cold enough in the east and by then were getting into the timeframe that boundary temps along 95 are really a problem. Places NW with elevation its still possible maybe March 20 on hey could sneak in something...I'm skeptical even there. As opposed to our boundary temps in January and February? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psuhoffman Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 5 minutes ago, osfan24 said: As opposed to our boundary temps in January and February? I'm trying to behave today... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psuhoffman Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 26 minutes ago, osfan24 said: As opposed to our boundary temps in January and February? This has been our reality for 9 years... Here is the thing about that...yes the PDO is killing us, putting a perpetual ridge over the east...but look out west at our latitude...even with a crazy -PNA most of the time, they aren't cold either. At our latitude the variance across the northern hemisphere the last 9 years has been crazy unprecedented torch to at best slightly above normal temps, which for us isn't even good enough since our lowest average high temp is still in the 40's. I've witnessed this first hand...yea they have been "colder" and yes at times when a crazy trough sets up they do get cold for a bit...but I've been out west several times in the last 8 years and lower elevations were really really suffering in terms of snowfall with very warm temps between storms and during any modest ridging episodes. Just a cautionary thing to keep in mind for when the PDO flips...it hasn't exactly been cold ANYWHERE at our latitude on the whole, no matter what the longwave pattern is. This doesn't mean you can't get cold for a period, there are anomalies within that longer term avg...just saying...in general its just been warm everywhere at our latitude. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbmclean Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 35 minutes ago, psuhoffman said: This has been our reality for 9 years... Here is the thing about that...yes the PDO is killing us, putting a perpetual ridge over the east...but look out west at our latitude...even with a crazy -PNA most of the time, they aren't cold either. At our latitude the variance across the northern hemisphere the last 9 years has been crazy unprecedented torch to at best slightly above normal temps, which for us isn't even good enough since our lowest average high temp is still in the 40's. I've witnessed this first hand...yea they have been "colder" and yes at times when a crazy trough sets up they do get cold for a bit...but I've been out west several times in the last 8 years and lower elevations were really really suffering in terms of snowfall with very warm temps between storms and during any modest ridging episodes. Just a cautionary thing to keep in mind for when the PDO flips...it hasn't exactly been cold ANYWHERE at our latitude on the whole, no matter what the longwave pattern is. This doesn't mean you can't get cold for a period, there are anomalies within that longer term avg...just saying...in general its just been warm everywhere at our latitude. As you have mentioned many times it is likely that there are at least two additive factors at play in our recent snow woes 1. The perma-SER courtesy of the -----PDO 2. Pack puke episodes which are more frequent, stronger, and longer in duration due to pac warm pool/hadley cell expansion/Babar The PDO flipping should hopefully help with factor 1 but I don't know of any reason why it would help with factor 2. So when the PDO flips it's a matter of do we get 80% back or 20% back (or whatever). I think 100% is out of reach sadly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psuhoffman Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 I've pointed this out before... This first example its obvious why we are warm... This pacific configuration is a train wreck, we should be warm with this crap pacific longwave setup But then look at this...its the complete opposite pacific longwave pattern, and we still have a massive full latitude eastern N American ridge I've shown this several times over the last few years...that at times it doesn't matter what the jet configuration is over the pacific it leads to the same pattern over the CONUS regardless. Am I 100% sure the PDO is totally to blame for this...ehh. I hope so. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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