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3 minutes ago, HIPPYVALLEY said:

There is probably no way to ever know if we have reached suggested heard immunity percentages unless there is widespread antibody testing which will probably not happen. 

So I heard lol

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a good friend of my family, guy around 50 years old spent 65 days in the hospital, a majority of which was in ICU, with covid. he was on a ventilator for over a month. i don't know how many times doctors told his wife that he wasn't going to make it through the night. Dozens of times. he had no other underlying health issues. who knows what the long term impacts will be on his heart and lungs, but it can't be good. 

Personally there is no way on this earth that I would risk being in that position. yes, I am firmly on the vaccine train. the mRNA technology has been around for 20+ years, and yes it has been tested. there is some real good info in this article for those who care to read about the facts. 

Edit: to find this article, did a google search for "how long has mRNA technology been around". it was the very first article. If people are interested in learning about stuff like this, the info is out there. you just have to actually read it.

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18 minutes ago, Damage In Tolland said:

I mean lolololol . Come on man. Young people and Covid vs young people and unknowns from a vaccine? 

It’s everyone’s individual decision, but let’s not pretend vaccine is a lot more scary than having COVID.

Having had covid and now the vaccine, I’m a lot more concerned with the long term effects covid could have on my heart and lungs than a vaccine.

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23 minutes ago, Damage In Tolland said:

I mean lolololol . Come on man. Young people and Covid vs young people and unknowns from a vaccine? 

Long term effects from a mild case of covid are pretty high actually. somewhere around the 15% range. 

Just get the shot. They would not be distributing this on the mass scale if they were anywhere close to worried about the vaccines' long term effects. 

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18 minutes ago, Ginx snewx said:

I spent 2 days in a Covid ward. What I saw with young people your age and below would scare you. Seemingly very healthy people near death. Yea the odds are low but not zero. You can take your chances but I wouldn't recommend it.

I mean more kids and teens and twenties though. I know people my age that got sick 

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2 hours ago, S&P said:

This is what concerns me, the "free rider" effect - those not getting stuck will benefit from those getting stuck as all our lives move towards something resembling normal with herd immunity. It may not be a big deal now because i think there is sufficient interest to get the vaccine to get past this phase and open up fully , but if the threat persists (likely?) I think people will be reluctant to get stuck a 2nd, 3rd (n times -think flu shots), so we loose herd immunity and risk more government and business restrictions. Some may conclude there needs  to be a stick (or carrot) for people to get boosters as needed - the vaccine passport? or maybe something more elegant - UBI?. You can argue the government or businesses are wrong to apply more restrictions, but its the world we live in, not the one we want to live in. I mean no one wants to pay taxes, but we "accept" it to fund public goods i.e. those products that people wouldn't pay for on their own unless required to - this is the "free rider" theory as explained in economic theory. I view the vaccine process as analogous in some ways.

My comment was mostly tongue in cheek but I see your point

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2 hours ago, Damage In Tolland said:

Exactly. Herd immunity ultimately ends this. Not a “fake” vaccine. As I always say.. to each their own

herd immunity through infection would take forever at this rate...we're a year in-without vaccines this would take 2-3 years easily unless there were no mitigation protocols....who wants to live like this for that long?  Not me.  My kids have learning close to nothing in school in a year  

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2 hours ago, Damage In Tolland said:

What they’ve come out with in a few short months as you mentioned is not a vaccine in the true sense. There’s a reason why it’s not EUA approved. The long term side effects are greatly unknown . For example Teenage girls .. how will it affect reproduction later in life? Many questions. 

the vaxx was initially developed back in 2003 with the SARS outbreak then, but that never spread widely so there wasn't a market for it-so it's not exactly "new"

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2 hours ago, TauntonBlizzard2013 said:

It’s literally no different than the potential long term side effects of covid. I find it kind of bizarre that people are petrified of the potential long term effects of the vaccine, but not of actually having COVID.

the same people that think COVID is no big deal despite 600,000 deaths in a year in this country alone are petrified a 2 oz vial of vaccine will harm them, the irony is kind of funny....

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What a sick  story this morning of Former NFl player Phillip Adams. Executing  two children (among the 5 dead /including himself) > I would never comprehend the mental anguish a man goes thru that decided to put a bullet in his own brain. in addition he killed his Dr. and Dr.'s Wife .... but to execute two children is ...

 

 

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Just now, STILL N OF PIKE said:

What a sick  story this morning of Former NFl player Phillip Adams. Executing  two children (among the 5 dead /including himself) > I would never comprehend the mental anguish a man goes thru that decided to kill a Dr. and his Wife (former NFL player Phillip Adams but to execute two children is .....

 

 

Sad.  The mass shootings in this country are unreal.   Just goes on and on.....

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Just now, Brian5671 said:

Sad.  The mass shootings in this country are unreal.   Just goes on and on.....

I would guess the shootings are sort of a manifestation of many things.  Including a rise in mental health problems. I just can't imagine why someone would kill a innocent child. Sad indeed.

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8 minutes ago, Brian5671 said:

Sad.  The mass shootings in this country are unreal.   Just goes on and on.....

Strangely there are multiple definitions for what constitutes a mass shooting, but regardless of what criteria is used to define one, they make up a minute percentage of overall homicides and an even a smaller percentage when taking into account suicides/accidental deaths. They receive the overwhelming amount of press publicity which makes them appear to be a higher percentage than they are. Im not sure there is a good way to prevent them short of removing all guns from the country, which isn’t realistic. I doubt new laws would have any impact. Sad to hear about though.

 

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29 minutes ago, STILL N OF PIKE said:

I would guess the shootings are sort of a manifestation of many things.  Including a rise in mental health problems. I just can't imagine why someone would kill a innocent child. Sad indeed.

The final victim should have been the only victim. An asshole with severe mental problems (CTE), nothing else. 

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6 minutes ago, White Rain said:

Strangely there are multiple definitions for what constitutes a mass shooting, but regardless of what criteria is used to define one, they make up a minute percentage of overall homicides and an even a smaller percentage when taking into account suicides/accidental deaths. They receive the overwhelming amount of press publicity which makes them appear to be a higher percentage than they are. Im not sure there is a good way to prevent them short of removing all guns from the country, which isn’t realistic. I doubt new laws would have any impact. Sad to hear about though.

 

The term "mass shooting" is only used in certain contexts when it is politically expedient to do so. Plenty of large scale shootings are not called a "mass shooting," for instance most gang shootouts in urban areas.

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31 minutes ago, STILL N OF PIKE said:

What a sick  story this morning of Former NFl player Phillip Adams. Executing  two children (among the 5 dead /including himself) > I would never comprehend the mental anguish a man goes thru that decided to put a bullet in his own brain. in addition he killed his Dr. and Dr.'s Wife .... but to execute two children is ...

 

 

CTE probably

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41 minutes ago, Brian5671 said:

the vaxx was initially developed back in 2003 with the SARS outbreak then, but that never spread widely so there wasn't a market for it-so it's not exactly "new"

It surely wasn't tested widely back in 2003 if there was no market for it. Let's not swing too far the other way by pretending it is established technology for a vaccine.

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8 minutes ago, PhineasC said:

It surely wasn't tested widely back in 2003 if there was no market for it. Let's not swing too far the other way by pretending it is established technology for a vaccine.

Not saying that but to say that it's totally 100% new within the last year is not correct.  

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4 hours ago, ORH_wxman said:

Skilled trades are the thing to be in right now for sure. After years of ostracizing carpenters, plumbers, electricians, etc in the 1980s/1990s and telling all the kids back then that they needed to go to college, there is a definite supply shortage of these types of workers and a high demand for them. Especially in a higher educated regions like the greater Boston market or other northeast cities. 

My wife’s younger half-brother lives outside of Philly and he dropped out of high school at 16...then got his now-wife pregnant when he was 18, but went and got his GED and went to trade school to be an electrician. He is now about 25 and makes 6 figures easy. It’s pretty amazing. 

 

Ha, good post, Will!

Mike Rowe, famed "Dirty Jobs" host and now voice-over specialist/narrator for various informational genre of entertainment, was interviewed years ago by 60 Minutes.  He was projecting a problem, ... predicting that over coming decades America could find its self in a kind of infrastructure crisis, because the stigma you describe.  Think future tenths:  An anathema and 'shade' culture of looking down noses upon a certain ilk of occupations ... led inexorably to a history of abandoned maintenance practices - or inability to keep up with normal deterioration rates even...  And well here we are ...

We are still, for all our conceits in modernity and technological bliss, wholly reliant upon lever, cogs and grease. Just musing here while I wait for a break job ... boring.

But from trains to shipyards, to heavy machinery,  really the vast array of physical components that ( sorry for the cliche )  most carry on in their busy lives having long become complacent or oblivious to altogether.  Us wannabe doctors and lawyers, or investment rock-star Wall Street investors, artists or celebrities, fervor on disconnected from the fact that the foundation for those "society echelons" is still paved by "adult Tonka Truck" drivers. Otherwise, the galas ...the appreciation narcissism cannot happen - little tongue-in-cheek jab there. 

He was saying back in the last 1990s, kids can graduate from high school right into certificate trade program that doesn't require a suicide failure to get the 1450 SAT scores. They are pretty much guaranteed to make 80K +/ yr by 5 years of as a HE operator ... There's basically a pie-chart of occupations needed to operation society, and the popularity tries to make money by not occupying any of those pie slices -it's kind of shameful really.  Yet, we shame those gigs -or use to... 

I almost blame the television culture of the 1970s and 1980s for that. I can remember the portrayal constantly fed, igniting a culture mode/stigma against those jobs.  I can remember "Hollywood" always had the plumber ring the door ... he dangled blunted cigar from a scruffy unshaven second chin, and when he spoke .. it was dolt-accented four letter terms - all the way through them decades. 

Meanwhile, "Secret Of My Success" was appealing to an already celebrity driven culture, idolizing manicures and chiseled facial features, along with a certain presumption of sagacity ... that was sort of granted, not earned, if you rang the door with good looks and polo shirt ...  perhaps best described as an out and out elitism. We laughed during Saturday Night Live's "Wayne's World" whenever they bowed with with hands out stretched and chanted, "We're not worthy- we're not worthy" 

Ah yes the "effete plumber" - proooobably fails that sort of vision of being one of the ones that is "worthy".  LOL

There's a reason why the super bowl add back in 2004 or 2005 was a hit. It's portrayal has been repro'ed many times in peregrination but I keep seeing vestiges of it ever since.  I don't remember the product...but the ad itself depicted guy standing on the side of the road leaning on his Porsche ...you know, clearly broken down. The setting was out there ...like really out there in the vast oblivion of empty plain. Just him, his inoperative status symbol, and the two lane road.  A semi truck emerges and picks the guy up ... "You nee a lift?" And after some fragments of dialogue designed to seal the watchers presumption ...,the driver espouses, "...Oh this?  Nah, this isn't my job, I'm a retired billionaire [ enter occupational ways and means here ].  I just do this because I like the peace and serenity of the open road and helping people."   The old exotic billionaire romp.   It's still a juxtaposition mechanism that works to this day, because we still come from that effete underpinning.

 

 

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37 minutes ago, PhineasC said:

Former NFL player... have to assume a traumatic brain injury situation.

Relatively short career and 33 y.o. is young for CTE.  However, DBs have some of the most violent high-speed collisions in the game and are usually smaller than the guys they're trying to tackle.  Maybe Deion Sanders, famed for coverage and picks but sometimes ridiculed for avoiding hard tackles, had the right idea after all.

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43 minutes ago, tamarack said:

Relatively short career and 33 y.o. is young for CTE.  However, DBs have some of the most violent high-speed collisions in the game and are usually smaller than the guys they're trying to tackle.  Maybe Deion Sanders, famed for coverage and picks but sometimes ridiculed for avoiding hard tackles, had the right idea after all.

33 is not young.   It’s likely that he’s been in the sport since childhood.   Mothers, don’t let your children grow up to be football players....

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5 minutes ago, weathafella said:

33 is not young.   It’s likely that he’s been in the sport since childhood.   Mothers, don’t let your children grow up to be football players....

Yeah, he's probably been butting heads for 20 years, that's a long time and easily could be CTE.

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15 minutes ago, weathafella said:

33 is not young.   It’s likely that he’s been in the sport since childhood.   Mothers, don’t let your children grow up to be football players....

Yeah ... no way .

In "CTE years" that's runner up for oldest living -

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While the Biden administration has been trying to find a way toward a standard for vaccine certification, the federal government will not issue a vaccine passport, White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki said Tuesday. 
"The government is not now, nor will we be, supporting a system that requires Americans to carry a credential," Psaki said at a news briefing. "There will be no federal vaccinations database and no federal mandate requiring everyone to obtain a single vaccination credential."

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4 hours ago, SouthCoastMA said:

Long term effects from a mild case of covid are pretty high actually. somewhere around the 15% range. 

Just get the shot. They would not be distributing this on the mass scale if they were anywhere close to worried about the vaccines' long term effects. 

Actually CNN bandied a headline - but they tend to spin dourly as base-tactic ... - that 34% of COVID 'recovery' are saddled with 'brain disease'

typical of that org to scare people into clicking mouses, or thumb swiping their phones, by not providing context ... just telling you there's a cricket in our panties .. so tfwiw - folks can look that up and test its veracity.

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15 minutes ago, HIPPYVALLEY said:
While the Biden administration has been trying to find a way toward a standard for vaccine certification, the federal government will not issue a vaccine passport, White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki said Tuesday. 
"The government is not now, nor will we be, supporting a system that requires Americans to carry a credential," Psaki said at a news briefing. "There will be no federal vaccinations database and no federal mandate requiring everyone to obtain a single vaccination credential."

If they did .. we’d be living in communist China 

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54 minutes ago, DavisStraight said:

Yeah, he's probably been butting heads for 20 years, that's a long time and easily could be CTE.

Or more.  I think Pop Warner league starts before age 10.  However, most publicized CTE cases are longer-term NFL players (which are more likely to be publicized because of career length/stardom.)
Edit:  Pop Warner league has many divisions, which start at age 5!  Some systems go by weight and the "Mini-mite" division is ages 5-6-7 and check-in weights 35(!!!) to 75 lb, up to 84 by end of season.  Makes me glad my organized football career was just 3 years in HS and 2 at Hopkins.

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41 minutes ago, Damage In Tolland said:

If they did .. we’d be living in communist China 

Yeah ...that's the philosophical conundrum that's festering now as we near the post-Pandemia realm  - whether that is all an infringement on the Americana afforded sense of free liberty ...

As a deeper thought ( oh god :) ) that always, whether we realize this or not ..., has been the key word: whether that can be "afforded" 

I mean, it was always made possible because circumstances allowed it.  See ... ANY system ( in reality really) can persist in status quo, only as long as there are no forces sufficient to upend the status quo.  That's like "the law of stasis" - heh... I like that.  But seriously - it's true.

The question is, when is/if an imposing agencies of "destruction," or mere disruption, may be sufficient to require:

                                                                         "special circumstances require special counter measures"                           ... as a response.  In other words, the circumstances no longer can afford -

I don't personally think this qualifies ?  I don't -

I don't because it's all relative - it is relative because ...what this C-19 aspect is, the whole and holistic aspect of all if it ...world over, is really about doing what we've done because we can, not because we had no choice. The perception may have been that we had no choice, but... put this into cultural relativity and era comparison, if you will.

Case in point, 1918 ... There's was never going to be any sort of pass-port, leading to a traffic stop that goes like ... 'Where's your papers'.  I suspect images of cold war era Stalingrad ring in people's minds as where requiring dog-tags for immunization is going - it's kind of also insulting and demeaning to a lot of people, too.  Not just the free-liberties.

Obviously ... we don't want to set a precedence that may even risk paving the way to a future where we start claiming liberties - but it is  fine tussle, when liberties also could become an inadvertent agent of mass destruction ...  That's an interesting one -

 

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8 minutes ago, Typhoon Tip said:

Yeah ...that's the philosophical conundrum that festering now as we near the post-Pandemia realm  - whether that is all an infringement on the Americana afforded sense of free liberty ...

As a deeper thought ( oh god :) ) that always, whether we realize this or not ..., has been the key word: whether that can be "afforded" 

I mean, it was always made possible because circumstances allowed it.  See ... ANY system ( in reality really) can persist in status quo, only as long as there are no forces sufficient to upend the status quo.  That's like "the law of stasis" - heh... I like that.  But seriously - it's true.

The question is, when is/if an imposing agencies of "destruction," or mere disruption, may be sufficient to require:

                                                                         "special circumstances require special counter measures"                           ... as a response.  In other words, the circumstances no longer can afford -

I don't personally think this qualifies ?  I don't -

I don't because it's all relative - it is relative because ...what this C-19 aspect is, the whole and holistic aspect of all if it ...world over, is really about doing what we've done because we can, not because we had no choice. The perception may have been that we had no choice, but... put this into cultural relativity and era comparison, if you will.

Case in point, 1918 ... There's was never going to be any sort of pass-port, leading to a traffic stop that goes like ... 'Where's your papers'.  I suspect images of cold war era Stalingrad ring in people's minds as where requiring dog-tags for immunization is going - it's kind of also insulting and demeaning to a lot of people, too.  Not just the free-liberties.

Obviously ... we don't want to set a precedence that may even risk paving the way to a future where we start claiming liberties - but it is  fine tussle, when liberties also could become an inadvertent agent of mass destruction ...  That's an interesting one -

 

Unfortunately the next 4 years are going to be filled with some terrible decisions . Already happening. Hopefully the country can get thru this nightmare. 
 

When do you go back to office or are you WFH all the time?

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