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4 minutes ago, Hoosier said:

Heard that from my sister, who has basically been looking for any way possible to discredit the pandemic.

That raises an obvious question about those stories.  How do they know whom to call if people are leaving before getting tested?  Or is there some kind of check in process when you first show up? 

That seems like an anecdote without any sourcing. And the second part of your post makes me believe it isn't true. Most testing places are drive up without precheck.

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9 minutes ago, Hoosier said:

Heard that from my sister, who has basically been looking for any way possible to discredit the pandemic.

That raises an obvious question about those stories.  How do they know whom to call if people are leaving before getting tested?  Or is there some kind of check in process when you first show up? 

I think in a lot of cases they have to sign up ahead of time with their contact information to get a spot and appointment.  I know one of my friends did that today so he could get tested tomorrow since his girlfriend is getting tested with common allergy symptoms she is worried may be COVID-19.

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They're saying that Asia and perhaps even Europe are poised to have stronger economic growth in 2021 compared to the US, simply because they're managing the virus much better.  At this point the ability - or lack thereof - to manage this virus will determine your economic growth over the next year.  It wouldn't surprise me if the US actually experienced a double dip recession because we simply can't get this under control. 

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22 minutes ago, Inverted_Trough said:

They're saying that Asia and perhaps even Europe are poised to have stronger economic growth in 2021 compared to the US, simply because they're managing the virus much better.  At this point the ability - or lack thereof - to manage this virus will determine your economic growth over the next year.  It wouldn't surprise me if the US actually experienced a double dip recession because we simply can't get this under control. 

And now Japan is having a resurgence. 

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28 minutes ago, Inverted_Trough said:

They're saying that Asia and perhaps even Europe are poised to have stronger economic growth in 2021 compared to the US, simply because they're managing the virus much better.  At this point the ability - or lack thereof - to manage this virus will determine your economic growth over the next year.  It wouldn't surprise me if the US actually experienced a double dip recession because we simply can't get this under control. 

It would be because of our lack of response especially at the federal level. Incompetence all around.

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They're saying that Asia and perhaps even Europe are poised to have stronger economic growth in 2021 compared to the US, simply because they're managing the virus much better.  At this point the ability - or lack thereof - to manage this virus will determine your economic growth over the next year.  It wouldn't surprise me if the US actually experienced a double dip recession because we simply can't get this under control. 

Bingo! Quite honestly America is horribly built for something like this. I don’t think it matters who is in DC, we have a structure in place where states can do almost whatever they want. Moving from Ohio to South Carolina was a total eye opener in how different the government operates
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Inconsistent messaging, states fighting each other for supplies, lack of awareness in public and plain old denying it made all of this much worse than it could’ve been.

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16 minutes ago, Wmsptwx said:

Inconsistent messaging, states fighting each other for supplies, lack of awareness in public and plain old denying it made all of this much worse than it could’ve been.

I'd add the "plandemic" video and widespread sharing of pseudo-science and misinformation on social media to that list. And maybe mental illness.

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1 hour ago, nwohweather said:


Bingo! Quite honestly America is horribly built for something like this. I don’t think it matters who is in DC, we have a structure in place where states can do almost whatever they want. Moving from Ohio to South Carolina was a total eye opener in how different the government operates

I do think it matters in some ways, but in other ways not.  Like, we would have a contingent of deniers/minimizers out there no matter what because, well, that's how we roll.  

Would rather not rehash the blame game in here though because we know that it will inevitably wade into problem territory for this thread (and everyone is probably pretty much set in their beliefs anyway) 

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43 minutes ago, purduewx80 said:

I'd add the "plandemic" video and widespread sharing of pseudo-science and misinformation on social media to that list. And maybe mental illness.

"LIBERATE" and reopen everything without following the gating criteria put out by the coronavirus task force. So many missteps. The federal response has been as bad as anyone could imagine, the federal response has literally sabotaged what could have otherwise gotten us on track. 

 

Being in an election year has probably made it worse.

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2 hours ago, Hoosier said:

Heard that from my sister, who has basically been looking for any way possible to discredit the pandemic.

That raises an obvious question about those stories.  How do they know whom to call if people are leaving before getting tested?  Or is there some kind of check in process when you first show up? 

Yep, I've heard the exact same story from a credible source.  I do believe there was some sort of check in, and they left after checking in. 

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1 hour ago, purduewx80 said:

I'd add the "plandemic" video and widespread sharing of pseudo-science and misinformation on social media to that list. And maybe mental illness.

Add that to that video taken down the other day...It just makes me sad. It's like...this is a time we need consistent information, not "my science versus theirs" :facepalm: The mass of confusion created is maddening and has been toxic to our response.

1 hour ago, Hoosier said:

I do think it matters in some ways, but in other ways not.  Like, we would have a contingent of deniers/minimizers out there no matter what because, well, that's how we roll.  

Would rather not rehash the blame game in here though because we know that it will inevitably wade into problem territory for this thread (and everyone is probably pretty much set in their beliefs anyway) 

You've got a point...so we'd probably still have some of the conspiracy stuff anyway, lol We are who we are, unfortunately...

pandemic + deeply polarized country=this mess!

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1 hour ago, purduewx80 said:

I'd add the "plandemic" video and widespread sharing of pseudo-science and misinformation on social media to that list. And maybe mental illness.

Anyone who believes this was a "plandemic" is just an idiot. I have no other way to put it.

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For my second night in a row, I have a fever of around 100F with chills and a bit of head-wooziness (hopefully you get what I mean).

Yesterday I went for a long run with a friend after having been sedentary for almost three weeks. When I got home, I felt like garbage. Took a hot shower (also not smart lol) and I got out with a fever of 100.5F that I held for a few hours before it dropped off. I figured I had just overexerted my body. Now, seeing that I feel the same way tonight (albeit without the post-running soreness) I'm a bit confused. I've never felt this way before. The best way I can describe it is as if your brain is going hypochondriac mode, but the symptoms your brain are making up are actually real. No sore throat, or cough, or anything like that. Purely in the limb muscles and above the neck. I don't know if I should be concerned or not. 

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1 hour ago, Malacka11 said:

For my second night in a row, I have a fever of around 100F with chills and a bit of head-wooziness (hopefully you get what I mean).

Yesterday I went for a long run with a friend after having been sedentary for almost three weeks. When I got home, I felt like garbage. Took a hot shower (also not smart lol) and I got out with a fever of 100.5F that I held for a few hours before it dropped off. I figured I had just overexerted my body. Now, seeing that I feel the same way tonight (albeit without the post-running soreness) I'm a bit confused. I've never felt this way before. The best way I can describe it is as if your brain is going hypochondriac mode, but the symptoms your brain are making up are actually real. No sore throat, or cough, or anything like that. Purely in the limb muscles and above the neck. I don't know if I should be concerned or not. 

You can always get tested so you know for sure. What you're describing definitely fits within the wide range of symptoms people experience, but it could just as easily be something else.

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8 hours ago, mattb65 said:

"LIBERATE" and reopen everything without following the gating criteria put out by the coronavirus task force. So many missteps. The federal response has been as bad as anyone could imagine, the federal response has literally sabotaged what could have otherwise gotten us on track. 

 

Being in an election year has probably made it worse.

You could say the same for the states.  Everyone is quick to blame the feds, but if they are so bad why don't the individual states go their own way and get it right?  Take a little personal responsibility.  It is always easier to blame someone else when things go wrong and take credit when they go right.

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5 hours ago, Malacka11 said:

For my second night in a row, I have a fever of around 100F with chills and a bit of head-wooziness (hopefully you get what I mean).

Yesterday I went for a long run with a friend after having been sedentary for almost three weeks. When I got home, I felt like garbage. Took a hot shower (also not smart lol) and I got out with a fever of 100.5F that I held for a few hours before it dropped off. I figured I had just overexerted my body. Now, seeing that I feel the same way tonight (albeit without the post-running soreness) I'm a bit confused. I've never felt this way before. The best way I can describe it is as if your brain is going hypochondriac mode, but the symptoms your brain are making up are actually real. No sore throat, or cough, or anything like that. Purely in the limb muscles and above the neck. I don't know if I should be concerned or not. 

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With all of the unempolyment benefits talk on here yesterday I saw this earlier today. "the University of Chicago estimated that 68% of those receiving benefits were getting paid more than what they made before with the median payment 34% higher than their previous weekly paycheck".
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/jobless-claims-week-ending-july-25-123150219.html

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1 hour ago, WestMichigan said:

With all of the unempolyment benefits talk on here yesterday I saw this earlier today. "the University of Chicago estimated that 68% of those receiving benefits were getting paid more than what they made before with the median payment 34% higher than their previous weekly paycheck".
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/jobless-claims-week-ending-july-25-123150219.html

Yea, I was surprised to see certain posters act like this wasn't the case.

I also wonder how many Americans are drawing unemployment from a job not returning. That's my primary concern.

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31 minutes ago, Jonger said:

Yea, I was surprised to see certain posters act like this wasn't the case.

I also wonder how many Americans are drawing unemployment from a job not returning. That's my primary concern.

Many employers have contacted people asking them to come back but they decline since they are making more on unemployment than actually working. Despite high unemployment, there are a lot of job openings within certain industries. The jobs are slowly being filled with new hires, and those choosing to remain on unemployment will likely remain there as they won't have a job to go back to. 

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5 hours ago, WestMichigan said:

You could say the same for the states.  Everyone is quick to blame the feds, but if they are so bad why don't the individual states go their own way and get it right?  Take a little personal responsibility.  It is always easier to blame someone else when things go wrong and take credit when they go right.

In a global pandemic, the states take guidance from the feds on how to react. This time there was limited guidance at the start when there should have been much more.

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1 hour ago, Jonger said:

Yea, I was surprised to see certain posters act like this wasn't the case.

I also wonder how many Americans are drawing unemployment from a job not returning. That's my primary concern.

Unemployment isn't permanent for one, and all that study proves is that the American worker is grossly underpaid.

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Many states did do everything on their own basically, Maryland had to go out of the dang country to purchase enough tests at one point. Several states avoided the immediate wave that was already in action in much of Northeast, and still were lax with preventative measures, leading to this mess now. It’s on both federal and state, but to pretend feds have done well is downright dishonest.

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6 hours ago, WestMichigan said:

You could say the same for the states.  Everyone is quick to blame the feds, but if they are so bad why don't the individual states go their own way and get it right?  Take a little personal responsibility.  It is always easier to blame someone else when things go wrong and take credit when they go right.

Multiple problems with this perspective. Free interstate travel intertwines every state, we are only as strong as our weakest link with this virus. Repeatedly the public health side of this federal response says one thing i.e. reopening guidelines, and the political side of the federal response says there opposite, i.e. LIBERATE, Reopen, etc. Many states and especially those with Republican governors decided to reopen due to political pressures rather than public health science.

I don't absolve states from responsibility but big picture, our failure at containing this virus is unique in the developed world and I think the primary reason is the politicization and misinformation running rampant.

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16 hours ago, Hoosier said:

I do think it matters in some ways, but in other ways not.  Like, we would have a contingent of deniers/minimizers out there no matter what because, well, that's how we roll.  

Would rather not rehash the blame game in here though because we know that it will inevitably wade into problem territory for this thread (and everyone is probably pretty much set in their beliefs anyway) 

A contingent? Honestly the entire Southern USA does not care about this at all for whatever reason. My personal opinion is they really never grew up with the flu outbreaks us Midwesterners have so they don't really get it. But my friends and family are shocked when I show them how life is down here, everything is packed as though nothing is happening. Honestly other than mask wearing if someone were in a coma from January and woke up they probably wouldn't notice it at all here. Life is mostly completely unfettered here.

Truly guys it's why I can't relate to a lot of these posts, I've been down here for the whole thing and we've been wide open since Mothers Day. That's why our unemployment rate is 8.7% while Michigan I believe is still pushing 15%. I've been cautious as heck but man there is a serious lack of caring here at all. 

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29 minutes ago, Maestrobjwa said:

Now is that an actual tweet? (I know people fake those sometimes). If it is...thats even more sad.

It’s absolutely real, from early July. Was deleted just recently.

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