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6 minutes ago, TimB84 said:

Exactly. For a lot (maybe a majority, maybe not) of people with vaccine hesitancy, said hesitancy isn’t guided by anything resembling science.

They act like if we say we will burn all masks and nothing will be restricted these people will suddenly jump in line for a vaccine. I hate to say it but these people will not be getting vaccinated under any circumstance. They literally are frightened or have been duped to believe they are dangerous somehow.

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2 minutes ago, TimB84 said:

It’s going to be an uphill climb when everyone knows a crazy Aunt Susan or their mom’s next door neighbor or their chiropractor’s secretary who won’t get vaccinated because of some gobbledygook they read on social media about microchips or something.

Facebook is a huge source of this. I’ve been shown more screenshots than you can imagine.

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14 minutes ago, mattb65 said:

Below 10k isn't vague at all..

Yes it is vague, because a literal interpretation of "below 10K" could mean anywhere from 0 cases to 9,999 cases per day (massive range).

At least saying "well below 10K" can be interpreted to mean the number would not be near the high end of that range.

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5 minutes ago, Powerball said:

Yes it is vague, because a literal interpretation of "below 10K" could mean anywhere from 0 cases to 9,999 cases per day (massive range).

At least saying "well below 10K" can be interpreted to mean the number would not be near the high end of that range.

Dude, above or below 10k is a binary yes or no.  

On the other hand, "well below" is up for debate.  That could mean 8k to someone, 6k to someone else, etc.

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16 minutes ago, Powerball said:

Yes it is vague, because a literal interpretation of "below 10K" could mean anywhere from 0 cases to 9,999 cases per day (massive range).

At least saying "well below 10K" can be interpreted to mean the number would not be near the high end of that range.

Lol

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Just now, Wmsptwx said:

These people are getting it from memes passed around on Facebook. It’s sad.

Facebook is a ****ing cesspool and Twitter isn’t much better, though the wife doesn’t have a Twitter account so I can at least argue with people on there without getting judgment from her when it inevitably gets blasted into her newsfeed like it does on Facebook.

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2 minutes ago, TimB84 said:

Facebook is a ****ing cesspool and Twitter isn’t much better, though the wife doesn’t have a Twitter account so I can at least argue with people on there without getting judgment from her when it inevitably gets blasted into her newsfeed like it does on Facebook.

I have neither. Which is probably why I am here debating Covid. Lol

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2 minutes ago, schoeppeya said:

I have neither. Which is probably why I am here debating Covid. Lol

Also the people running the company I work for are pretty far to the right (I overheard them talking about stuff bordering on QAnon at least once a month before we switched to work from home), so I wouldn’t want them to happen upon me laying into some anti-vaxxer or anti-masker on Facebook while using my real name.

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3 minutes ago, Powerball said:

Private companies should be allowed to make the decisions on these and deal with consequences accordingly.

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4 minutes ago, Wmsptwx said:

Private companies should be allowed to make the decisions on these and deal with consequences accordingly.

This executive order does not apply to private companies, though as I recall, AZ is one of a few states considering regulating that as well. Ironic that some people are adamantly against telling private businesses what to do unless it’s convenient for them.

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7 minutes ago, Wmsptwx said:

Private companies should be allowed to make the decisions on these and deal with consequences accordingly.

I agree.

4 minutes ago, TimB84 said:

This executive order does not apply to private companies, though as I recall, AZ is one of a few states considering regulating that as well. 

Correct.

So far, I think the only other states to formally regulate this are Texas and Florida (I could be mistaken), although the governor of Georgia has gone on record to say he's philosophically not in favor of passports.

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1 hour ago, Powerball said:

Jitters, excitement and elbow bumps as Chicago Public high schools reopen after 13-month shutdown: ‘This is long overdue — the first day of school in April’

https://www.chicagotribune.com/coronavirus/ct-cps-high-schools-reopen-first-day-covid-20210419-r76ohmolxrgvpeypqnuuyqebay-story.html

I see we found our new hot spot.

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I thought this was kinda interesting. I know there is extreme age-stratified risk on Covid, but some of the "less dangerous than flu for kids" thing is way overstated. In terms of hospitalizations, it looks like COVID blows seasonal flu out of the water.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2016-2017.html

There was about 34K hospitalization under 17 along with 251 deaths

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/burden.html

There was about 137k hospitalizations under 17 as of the end of December. There's been 258 deaths confirmed so far. 

 

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1 hour ago, OSUmetstud said:

I thought this was kinda interesting. I know there is extreme age-stratified risk on Covid, but some of the "less dangerous than flu for kids" thing is way overstated. In terms of hospitalizations, it looks like COVID blows seasonal flu out of the water.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2016-2017.html

There was about 34K hospitalization under 17 along with 251 deaths

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/burden.html

There was about 137k hospitalizations under 17 as of the end of December. There's been 258 deaths confirmed so far. 

 

With roughly twice as many total (confirmed) covid cases for covid, you’re more likely to be hospitalized but half as likely to die? Seems less dangerous than the flu to me?

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1 minute ago, schoeppeya said:

With roughly twice as many total (confirmed) covid cases for covid, you’re more likely to be hospitalized but half as likely to die? Seems less dangerous than the flu to me?

Depends on what you mean by “dangerous.” I would argue that having to be hospitalized, even if you don’t die, is a pretty significant danger. I would imagine being hospitalized significantly increases your chances of having permanent damage from this virus, which if we’re talking about kids is a tragedy.

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10 minutes ago, schoeppeya said:

With roughly twice as many total (confirmed) covid cases for covid, you’re more likely to be hospitalized but half as likely to die? Seems less dangerous than the flu to me?

In the aggregate if it hospitalized 5 times more kids than flu in a given year it's more dangerous imo at least. 

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2 hours ago, OSUmetstud said:

I thought this was kinda interesting. I know there is extreme age-stratified risk on Covid, but some of the "less dangerous than flu for kids" thing is way overstated. In terms of hospitalizations, it looks like COVID blows seasonal flu out of the water.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2016-2017.html

There was about 34K hospitalization under 17 along with 251 deaths

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/burden.html

There was about 137k hospitalizations under 17 as of the end of December. There's been 258 deaths confirmed so far. 

 

Wow

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