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My county achieved 25% of our population 18 and over and 75% of our population 65 and over fully vaccinated as of yesterday. Of course, we only have 38,000, but it's still an impressive percentage. We are vaccinating around 350 people a day (5 days a week), so by Memorial Day, we should have everyone vaccinated that wants to be (~67%).

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On 4/2/2021 at 12:32 AM, Stebo said:

In other news I found a closer vaccination than Ohio so I am getting that on Tuesday 

The availability in Detroit has been getting better. My wife scored hers with a basic search and Im slotted to get the J&J one next week as well. 

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12 hours ago, schoeppeya said:

I read about the weather without posting because I don’t feel like I know enough to add anything valuable, generally. There’s a lot of people who know a lot more than me (Stebo included) that I learn a lot of information from. I don’t feel that way about this subject. This is a coronavirus thread,  so why does it matter?

You've consistently defended him (including right now, taking issue with me calling him a loser) when the entire reason I’ve repeatedly engaged with him is because he attacks groups of people and individuals on a personal level (calling them idiots, selfish, stupid) that he knows nothing about but take issue with me calling him a loser for doing so. Why?

 

ETA: since you’re already combing through my profile, why don’t you go back and read the comments I’ve responded to him on and see who is making personal attacks or using incendiary language, instead of jumping into a 292 page thread 280 pages in and blindly backing the guy you feel shares the same POV as you. 

I’m sure there are plenty of forums where you could talk about all coronavirus, all the time. Can’t say they’d be as generally civil as a weather forum, but I’m sure they’re out there. But I do think you severely underestimate the number of people in our society who believe that only the vaccinated should be able to enjoy certain activities with no restrictions.

I don’t feel I’m blindly backing the guy that has similar views to mine. Again, all I did was state that the particular view you called him out on at that moment isn’t extremist at all. I wasn’t speaking in general terms, maybe he has other views that some would call “extremist” but even if he does, that’s not what I was addressing at that time.

12 hours ago, dta1984 said:

You do realize you just pretty much described stebo right?

I doubt it was unprovoked.
 

Anyway, I’m done arguing this point. You both are entitled to your point of view, as is Stebo. My views may align more closely to his, but I’d generally prefer to be civil and open minded.

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57 minutes ago, TimB84 said:

I’m sure there are plenty of forums where you could talk about all coronavirus, all the time. Can’t say they’d be as generally civil as a weather forum, but I’m sure they’re out there. But I do think you severely underestimate the number of people in our society who believe that only the vaccinated should be able to enjoy certain activities with no restrictions.

I don’t feel I’m blindly backing the guy that has similar views to mine. Again, all I did was state that the particular view you called him out on at that moment isn’t extremist at all. I wasn’t speaking in general terms, maybe he has other views that some would call “extremist” but even if he does, that’s not what I was addressing at that time.

I doubt it was unprovoked.
 

Anyway, I’m done arguing this point. You both are entitled to your point of view, as is Stebo. My views may align more closely to his, but I’d generally prefer to be civil and open minded.

You once again just described the reason I’ve taken issue with Stebo. You can find the post he made a few pages back encouraging a mod to censor posts and viewpoints he doesn’t agree with. He’s degrading, disrespectful, and derogatory towards people who don’t share his point of view.

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10 minutes ago, schoeppeya said:

You once again just described the reason I’ve taken issue with Stebo. You can find the post he made a few pages back encouraging a mod to censor posts and viewpoints he doesn’t agree with. He’s degrading, disrespectful, and derogatory towards people who don’t share his point of view.

Trying to find the comment in question... is it “anti-vax sh*theads” or “I don't want people catching covid because of their own stupidity. Do you?”

I find neither to be all that extreme.

 

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11 minutes ago, TimB84 said:

Trying to find the comment in question... is it “anti-vax sh*theads” or “I don't want people catching covid because of their own stupidity. Do you?”

I find neither to be all that extreme.

 

Lol those are some gems, but there are alot more (unless there's been careful editing..).   Pay attention how he responds to @schoeppeya when legitimate data is asked for or further explaining. Or how he tells @MJO812 to get out of this thread etc..   Responses are from someone with lacking people skills acting it's his way or the highway.  There's room for both sides, not just his "extremist" attitude. 

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2 minutes ago, dta1984 said:

Lol those are some gems, but there are alot more (unless there's been careful edition..).   Pay attention how he responds to @schoeppeya when legitimate data is asked or further explaining. Or how he tells @MJO812 to get out of this thread etc..   Responses are from someone with lacking people skills acting it's his way or the highway.  There's room for both sides, not just his "extremist" attitude. 

He is disgruntled along with others on here. I am been on this forum for 10 + years. They attack you if you disagree with them.

Its all good though.  Just ignore them.

 

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19 minutes ago, TimB84 said:

Trying to find the comment in question... is it “anti-vax sh*theads” or “I don't want people catching covid because of their own stupidity. Do you?”

I find neither to be all that extreme.

 

It’s a response to @Hoosier asking why he allows certain viewpoints to post. And if you consider the comments you quoted to support open minded conversations that you say you want , we are just never going to agree on anything. 
 

ETA: page 281. He’s also deleted some of his gems but you can still see them in quoted responses. 

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9 minutes ago, MJO812 said:

He is disgruntled along with others on here. I am been on this forum for 10 + years. They attack you if you disagree with them.

Its all good though.  Just ignore them.

 

The problem is all the other Covid threads on this site got taken down because people were fighting. This is the last thread standing. If it goes too, there will be no place to discuss Covid on this site. So hopefully people can keep it civil, no matter how much they disagree. When Stebo bashes people the way he does, he's risking this thread. Hopefully he can calm down.

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Here’s another potential scenario for why people refusing to get the vaccine, and not having some form of vaccine passports in place, affects all of us:

A bunch of people refuse to get the vaccine. The virus spreads rampant through the unvaccinated population when people are allowed to gather in large groups again. The virus mutates into a form that the vaccine doesn’t protect against, and we’re back at square one. So yes, it makes me judgmental when people refuse to get the vaccine, the majority of whom are refusing it for illogical reasons.

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6 minutes ago, TimB84 said:

Here’s another potential scenario for why people refusing to get the vaccine, and not having some form of vaccine passports in place, affects all of us:

A bunch of people refuse to get the vaccine. The virus spreads rampant through the unvaccinated population when people are allowed to gather in large groups again. The virus mutates into a form that the vaccine doesn’t protect against, and we’re back at square one. So yes, it makes me judgmental when people refuse to get the vaccine, the majority of whom are refusing it for illogical reasons.

That’s going to be happening outside of the United States for years and years and years to come. There’s going to be parts of the world that are still less than 10% vaccinated five years from now. You ok with not letting people in or out?

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I generally don't comment on specific posters, but it seems like the discussion about Stebo may go on endlessly at this rate.

I have probably known him on these boards for longer than most of the people posting about him, and I can say that his style has not really changed over the years.  I'm not always a fan of it.  I'm sure his feeling of frustration with certain posters is genuine, but the forum is not run according to Stebo.  It never has been and won't be as long as he is not on the staff. 

My advice... learn to coexist, people.

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26 minutes ago, TimB84 said:

Here’s another potential scenario for why people refusing to get the vaccine, and not having some form of vaccine passports in place, affects all of us:

A bunch of people refuse to get the vaccine. The virus spreads rampant through the unvaccinated population when people are allowed to gather in large groups again. The virus mutates into a form that the vaccine doesn’t protect against, and we’re back at square one. So yes, it makes me judgmental when people refuse to get the vaccine, the majority of whom are refusing it for illogical reasons.

Florida just banned vaccine passports. Imagine having many states with vaccine passports and many states without them, which is looking like a real possibility. Imagine how divided the country will be. This country is already divided enough as it is.

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Just now, dta1984 said:

So the data is false?   I am not talking about the deaths, I linked the site for "reactions" or possible reactions to the vax.

It's intended to drive fear. It's obvious. There is absolutely no context behind the numbers reported on that site. 

I should create a site with all the reports of people who get sick or die after taking Tylenol. It would scare the shit out of you. 

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14 minutes ago, WaryWarren said:

Dwight Schrute with another own goal lol

Edit: Weird how the people who are saying that those who wear a mask are afraid of the virus are then so afraid of a vaccine. It's always projection with these people.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/qjpmp7/anti-vaxxers-misuse-federal-data-to-falsely-claim-covid-vaccines-are-dangerous

I actually agree with you here. “Not gonna live in fear” while being scared to take a vaccine doesn’t make any sense.

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20 minutes ago, WaryWarren said:

Dwight Schrute with another own goal lol

Edit: Weird how the people who are saying that those who wear a mask are afraid of the virus are then so afraid of a vaccine. It's always projection with these people.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/qjpmp7/anti-vaxxers-misuse-federal-data-to-falsely-claim-covid-vaccines-are-dangerous

How is making a personal choice to not take the covid vaccine making one Afraid?  It's a decision.

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1 minute ago, dta1984 said:

How is making a personal choice to not take the covid vaccine making one Afraid?  It's a decision.

How does making a personal choice to wear a mask make one “afraid”? It’s a decision.

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13 minutes ago, OSUmetstud said:

It's intended to drive fear. It's obvious. There is absolutely no context behind the numbers reported on that site. 

I should create a site with all the reports of people who get sick or die after taking Tylenol. It would scare the shit out of you. 

Fair enough,  just looks like it posts reports of possible vaccine reactions. I did state the word Possible in my post.   We know there are people that have the reactions.

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1 hour ago, winterwx21 said:

Florida just banned vaccine passports. Imagine having many states with vaccine passports and many states without them, which is looking like a real possibility. Imagine how divided the country will be. This country is already divided enough as it is.

Yeah, and that is why Florida is held in such low regard by most Americans. It should be a business’s choice, no matter what state, not to serve unvaccinated people. Some of these people who are against refusing service to unvaccinated people are the same people saying bakeries should be allowed to refuse to bake a cake for a gay wedding.

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5 minutes ago, dta1984 said:

How is making a personal choice to not take the covid vaccine making one Afraid?  It's a decision.

The problem here is that you actually believe that you are properly equipped and informed to decide on your relative risk of getting covid complications vs. your relative risk of getting vaccine complications. You are not. Reading that website without proper analysis or context will cause you to overweigh vaccine risk...which is what you've been doing since the jump. 

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Just now, MJO812 said:

I'm thinking about getting the vaccine in the future.  I'm undecided  right now. 

Have any of you  had bad side effects from the vaccine  and which vaccine did you get ?

Talk to your doctor. This whole site is amateur hour. 

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40 minutes ago, OSUmetstud said:

That's an anti vax site.

I don't think it's fair to call it an anti vaccine site,  it's just information reported by people and seems to be pulled straight from the cdc.  I agree that the way it is set up without context could easily be used by people to justify an anti vaccine position and to emphasize the adverse reactions. 

I read some of the detailed reports on the bottom and most of the deaths seem to be people at end of lifewho got the vaccine. There was and clear panic attacks/psychogenic seizures too. 

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Just now, mattb65 said:

I don't think it's fair to call it an anti vaccine site,  it's just information reported by people and seems to be pulled straight from the cdc.  I agree that the way it is set up without context could easily be used by people to justify an anti vaccine position and to emphasize the adverse reactions. 

I read some of the detailed reports on the bottom and most of the deaths seem to be people at end of lifewho got the vaccine. There was and clear panic attacks/psychogenic seizures too. 

Yeah I guess I mean its going to be used for those purposes. The data itself is the data. I would he highly suspicious of the motivations of the people created that site.

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