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3 minutes ago, TimB84 said:

Yeah, and that is why Florida is held in such low regard by most Americans. It should be a business’s choice, no matter what state, not to serve unvaccinated people. Some of these people who are against refusing service to unvaccinated people are the same people saying bakeries should be allowed to refuse to bake a cake for a gay wedding.

It's not going to be just Florida though. Lots of other states are drawing up legislation to ban vaccine passports. I just read about Pennsylvania senators working on it right now. It could be a crazy situation where some states have them and some don't.

I completely agree with you that it would be terrible for bakeries to be allowed to refuse to bake a cake for a gay wedding, but I also am against vaccine passports. I don't think people that are not vaccinated should be discriminated against. Anyone that wants to be protected by a vaccine will have that option, so they won't have to worry about the smaller number of people that are not vaccinated. The vaccines are working very well against the variants, and the vaccine companies are saying they can quickly come up with boosters if it appears that there is a variant that's becoming a problem. So I don't think anyone should be forced to get a vaccine to be able to live a normal life. There are people that can't get vaccines for medical reasons. There are also people that take great care of their health through diet and exercise, getting their heart/lungs and immune systems so strong that they're at extremely low risk of getting severe Covid. Those people should not be forced to get a vaccine that they don't need, in my opinion. As long as the amount of virus circulating is fairly low and the health care system is in good shape, there shouldn't be concern about the smaller percentage (maybe it will be something like 25%) of people that choose to not get vaccinated.

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16 minutes ago, OSUmetstud said:

The problem here is that you actually believe that you are properly equipped and informed to decide on your relative risk of getting covid complications vs. your relative risk of getting vaccine complications. You are not. Reading that website without proper analysis or context will cause you to overweigh vaccine risk...which is what you've been doing since the jump. 

I sure do, along with medical professionals feel being low risk, there is no need to rush to get the vax.   I respect those that chose to get the vax, no problem with that.   

Edit;. I'm sure you're going to say you have medical professionals that say otherwise.  We will just disagree. 

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1 minute ago, winterwx21 said:

It's not going to be just Florida though. Lots of other states are drawing up legislation to ban vaccine passports. I just read about Pennsylvania senators working on it right now. It could be a crazy situation where some states have them and some don't.

I completely agree with you that it would be terrible for bakeries to be allowed to refuse to bake a cake for a gay wedding, but I also am against vaccine passports. I don't think people that are not vaccinated should be discriminated against. Anyone that wants to be protected by a vaccine will have that option, so they won't have to worry about the smaller number of people that are not vaccinated. The vaccines are working very well against the variants, and the vaccine companies are saying they can quickly come up with boosters if it appears that there is a variant that's becoming a problem. So I don't think anyone should be forced to get a vaccine to be able to live a normal life. There are people that can't get vaccines for medical reasons. There are also people that take great care of their health through diet and exercise, getting their heart/lungs and immune systems so strong that they're at extremely low risk of getting severe Covid. Those people should not be forced to get a vaccine that they don't need, in my opinion. As long as the amount of virus circulating is fairly low and the health care system is in good shape, there shouldn't be concern about the smaller percentage (maybe it will be something like 25%) of people that choose to not get vaccinated.

PA Gov. Tom Wolf would never sign such a bill if it landed on his desk, so I’m not too worried about that. 
 

With that being said, I would say the majority of people who refuse to get the vaccine have reasons that don’t fall into the categories you mentioned, but I’ll admit I haven’t looked at that data.

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39 minutes ago, dta1984 said:

So the data is false?   I am not talking about the deaths, I linked the site for "reactions" or possible reactions to the vax.

I glanced at that OpenVAERS link.  They claim they are using the data from VAERS, just in a more user friendly way.  The data itself may not fabricated. 

The one time I tried to use the actual VAERS site, I found it to be pretty clunky.  Was on my phone so not sure if that had anything to do with it.

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10 minutes ago, MJO812 said:

I'm thinking about getting the vaccine in the future.  I'm undecided  right now. 

Have any of you  had bad side effects from the vaccine  and which vaccine did you get ?

I'm undecided too. I was leaning more towards not getting the vaccine, but now I'm more like 50-50. I was concerned about the possibility of a bad allergic reaction, since I have a history of bad allergic reactions. However it's encouraging that the Johnson & Johnson vaccine so far is getting much less allergic reactions. I'm going to talk to my allergist about this. The J & J vaccine also is only 1 dose and tends to have less side effects. It seems like a good vaccine for younger healthy people that are at lower Covid risk. Something to consider.

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1 minute ago, Hoosier said:

I glanced at that OpenVAERS link.  They claim they are using the data from VAERS, just in a more user friendly way.  The data itself may not fabricated. 

The one time I tried to use the actual VAERS site, I found it to be pretty clunky.  Was on my phone so not sure if that had anything to do with it.

Thanks, that's what I interpreted as well.  Not meant to read too much into it, but we know there are reactions from the vaccine. 

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3 minutes ago, Hoosier said:

I glanced at that OpenVAERS link.  They claim they are using the data from VAERS, just in a more user friendly way.  The data itself may not fabricated. 

The one time I tried to use the actual VAERS site, I found it to be pretty clunky.  Was on my phone so not sure if that had anything to do with it.

I dont believe the data is fabricated. I believe that anyone who creates a website like that without context is doing so without good intentions. 

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Just now, TimB84 said:

Do you ever drive or fly?

I've posted my reasoning for not getting the vaccine.  Not being high risk with high risk individuals being the priority is my number one reason.  Skepticism of a rushed vaccine is second.  I am open to changing my view with time.  

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This is why everyone needs to get vaccinated, these variants are no joke. The brazilian one impacts younger people much more than the originally strain did.

ttps://theprovince.com/sports/hockey/nhl/vancouver-canucks/covid-19-some-canucks-cases-connected-with-brazilian-p-1-variant

That variant has been growing in number in B.C. over the past month and was recently identified as a major driver of an outbreak that originated in Whistler. Some research has shown the P.1 variant is as much as 2.5 times more transmissible than earlier strains of the coronavirus that causes COVID-19.

 

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5 minutes ago, BuffaloWeather said:

Over 100 million Americans have now received at least one dose of the coronavirus vaccine as of Friday, marking 39% of the adult population, according to CDC data. 

That's awesome. Proud of our country and the efforts we have made. 

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53 minutes ago, TimB84 said:

How does making a personal choice to wear a mask make one “afraid”? It’s a decision.

I don't know about your state, but I haven't been able to go to work, a store, or other business without a mask for probably 10 months.  That part isn't much of a choice.

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15 minutes ago, dta1984 said:

I don't know about your state, but I haven't been able to go to work, a store, or other business without a mask for probably 10 months.  That part isn't much of a choice.

Truth. But at the same time, doesn’t make a person “afraid”, nor are there many valid reasons to complain about it. (For those who complain, not saying you do.)

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For those in favor of vaccine passports -- and in this instance, "passport" is referring to having one to just be able to attend concerts, sporting events, other activities, etc... not international travel -- is this something that you favor for the next few months (until basically everyone who really wants a vaccine will have had an opportunity to get one) or continuing for the rest of the year and into 2022, 2023?

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1 hour ago, OSUmetstud said:

Talk to your doctor. This whole site is amateur hour. 

I'm going to get my antibody test done next Friday to see if I still have them and most likely will get either the JJ shot or the 2 shot vaccine.

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50 minutes ago, Hoosier said:

For those in favor of vaccine passports -- and in this instance, "passport" is referring to having one to just be able to attend concerts, sporting events, other activities, etc... not international travel -- is this something that you favor for the next few months (until basically everyone who really wants a vaccine will have had an opportunity to get one) or continuing for the rest of the year and into 2022, 2023?

I don’t know how much I favor it now (I think full capacity sporting events and concerts shouldn’t start until after more people have been vaccinated anyway), but I quite possibly favor it more after everyone has had the opportunity to get the vaccine, until the pandemic is under control and new cases are below a certain limit (I don’t know what that limit is.)

Edit: yes, I know that sounds a little punitive.

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I'm going to get my antibody test done next Friday to see if I still have them and most likely will get either the JJ shot or the 2 shot vaccine.

When you say bad side effects, do you mean a worse than normal reaction? There's large variance in the common reactions to the shots, especially the 2nd for the mRNA vaccines, but those are just signs of the immune response kicking in. As far as me, I had a pretty typical, not great but not awful symptoms from the second shot (moderate achiness, sore arm, chills but no fever) for about 18 hours.

 

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The wave is trying to build, but is getting beaten back by increasing vaccinations and seasonal changes, particularly in the southern US.  Getting hospitalizations to drop under 30k has become like a hamster running on a wheel.  Hopefully better luck with that number later this month or next.

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5 minutes ago, BuffaloWeather said:

Percentage of people in each age group that have received at least one dose

Age Group   2021-04-03
75+ yrs   75.4%
65-74 yrs   75.2%
50-64 yrs   44.3%
40-49 yrs   31.9%
30-39 yrs   26.4%
18-29 yrs   17.7%

Can we ultimately get those top 2 age groups to 80-85%?  Not looking for an answer but just wondering out loud lol

 

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