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Beggars can’t be Choosers strung out mess Jan 8/9


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16 minutes ago, ORH_wxman said:

Most of interior SNE over to NE winds or N winds...that's gonna lock in whatever temps are already there...might even tick down a notch in northern areas of SNE into S NH.

That's what is happening here. It's 32.5F off a high of 34F. Originally forecast to reach 42F. Looks like rain moving in here by 6pm or so.

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These are some pretty big differences that could have large sensible weather impacts tomorrow.  

The NAM/HRRR/BTV4 like SVT-Dendrite-Dryslot axis for meso-band.  The GFS and RGEM are definitely a bit further north into C/N VT and N.NH/W.ME mtns.  

Be interesting to see the 18z EURO.

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10 minutes ago, powderfreak said:

HRRR bringing Warning criteria snows to S.VT and SW NH hills tomorrow morning.

Man some forecasts are going to bust hard if that stuff ends up dropping a quick 6-10" through the higher elevations of CNE.

This has a big positive bust potential i think for areas that were expecting nothing.

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6 minutes ago, dryslot said:

Not going to warm very much if the winds remain NNW.

Picking up on the cold air holding tough at least at lower levels, might this influence the track of the low?  Maybe that is what the nam and hrrr are seeing?  And it would be those types of models that would be more sensitive to that?

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Just now, mahk_webstah said:

Picking up on the cold air holding tough at least at lower levels, might this influence the track of the low?  Maybe that is what the nam and hrrr are seeing?  And it would be those types of models that would be more sensitive to that?

I think the Mesos will handle this type of scenario better as well, Models have ticked colder some at the surface anyways and looks to cut off the warming aloft, just coming into range on the HRRR here at 21z, And it has 5.4" @15z Weds

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15 minutes ago, dryslot said:

This has a big positive bust potential i think for areas that were expecting nothing.

True, you expect nothing then if nothing happens, all good.  If something happens, even better, lol.

What have your expectations been the past few days?  I always thought you'd be at least 3-6" but yesterday everything seemed to back off a bit for a few cylces of runs.

Think back to what the models showed 3 days ago though...which was like 12-18" everywhere north of the Mass border.  Probably going to find somewhere in the middle of that original idea and yesterday's lackluster runs.

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True, you expect nothing then if nothing happens, all good.  If something happens, even better, lol.

What have your expectations been the past few days?  I always thought you'd be at least 3-6" but yesterday everything seemed to back off a bit for a few cylces of runs.

Think back to what the models showed 3 days ago though...which was like 12-18" everywhere north of the Mass border.  Probably going to find somewhere in the middle of that original idea and yesterday's lackluster runs.

 

Right along I had 4-8” total for both rounds and that looks quite possible, But after being on the low end after today, I figured maybe end on the low end but that could change now.

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8 minutes ago, powderfreak said:

Looks like if you go back to Friday's model runs and early Saturday runs, this is heading back that way (EURO had 8-12" for Dendrite and Dryslot in that time frame) and then it backed off quite a bit Sunday/Monday and now coming back on Tuesday's runs a bit.

U got the latest 

looks like a nice glaze heading my way around 8pm 

29.5 

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BTV just upgraded to Winter Storm Warnings...

URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGE
National Weather Service Burlington VT
622 PM EST Tue Jan 8 2019

NYZ030-031-VTZ003-004-006>008-019-091100-
/O.UPG.KBTV.WW.Y.0003.000000T0000Z-190109T1200Z/
/O.NEW.KBTV.WS.W.0001.190108T2322Z-190110T1800Z/
Southern Franklin-Western Clinton-Orleans-Essex-Lamoille-
Caledonia-Washington-Eastern Rutland-
Including the cities of Saranac Lake, Tupper Lake, Dannemora,
Newport, Island Pond, Johnson, Stowe, St. Johnsbury, Montpelier,
East Wallingford, and Killington
622 PM EST Tue Jan 8 2019

...WINTER STORM WARNING IN EFFECT UNTIL 1 PM EST THURSDAY...

* WHAT...Mixed precipitation this evening will change to all snow
  by daybreak Wednesday. Snow will be moderate to heavy at times
  Wednesday and Wednesday night before tapering off Thursday.
  Total snow accumulations of 8 to 14 inches and ice
  accumulations of around one tenth of an inch.

* WHERE...Portions of central, northeast, northwest and southern
  Vermont and northern New York.

* WHEN...Until 1 PM EST Thursday.

* ADDITIONAL DETAILS...Travel will be very difficult especially
  during the Wednesday morning and evening commutes. Isolated
  power outages possible due to heavy wet snow.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

A Winter Storm Warning means significant amounts of snow, sleet
and ice will make travel very hazardous or impossible.

Please allow extra time if travel is necessary.

&&
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1 minute ago, powderfreak said:

BTV just upgraded to Winter Storm Warnings...


URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGE
National Weather Service Burlington VT
622 PM EST Tue Jan 8 2019

NYZ030-031-VTZ003-004-006>008-019-091100-
/O.UPG.KBTV.WW.Y.0003.000000T0000Z-190109T1200Z/
/O.NEW.KBTV.WS.W.0001.190108T2322Z-190110T1800Z/
Southern Franklin-Western Clinton-Orleans-Essex-Lamoille-
Caledonia-Washington-Eastern Rutland-
Including the cities of Saranac Lake, Tupper Lake, Dannemora,
Newport, Island Pond, Johnson, Stowe, St. Johnsbury, Montpelier,
East Wallingford, and Killington
622 PM EST Tue Jan 8 2019

...WINTER STORM WARNING IN EFFECT UNTIL 1 PM EST THURSDAY...

* WHAT...Mixed precipitation this evening will change to all snow
  by daybreak Wednesday. Snow will be moderate to heavy at times
  Wednesday and Wednesday night before tapering off Thursday.
  Total snow accumulations of 8 to 14 inches and ice
  accumulations of around one tenth of an inch.

* WHERE...Portions of central, northeast, northwest and southern
  Vermont and northern New York.

* WHEN...Until 1 PM EST Thursday.

* ADDITIONAL DETAILS...Travel will be very difficult especially
  during the Wednesday morning and evening commutes. Isolated
  power outages possible due to heavy wet snow.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

A Winter Storm Warning means significant amounts of snow, sleet
and ice will make travel very hazardous or impossible.

Please allow extra time if travel is necessary.

&&

They went 8-14...what were they going with prior that they didn’t upgrade earlier .

 

its that the models really bumped back up last 12-18 hrs bc they are talking widespread amounts like that not spine

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