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February Mid/Long Range Discussion 2


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1 minute ago, BristowWx said:

The GFS run is troubling regardless of the other guidance.  at least to me.  its Tuesday I know.  but this year its seems to lock on scenarios like a pit bull.  and the other guidance gives in like a poodle

yep...having the best model this winter not have a storm isnt very encouraging. Lets see what the euro says

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10 minutes ago, BristowWx said:

The GFS run is troubling regardless of the other guidance.  at least to me.  its Tuesday I know.  but this year its seems to lock on scenarios like a pit bull.  and the other guidance gives in like a poodle

ICON/GFS went flatter/further south so far at 12z. Should be a positive because like other's have pointed out we don't have a lot of wiggle room. Plus the northern trend. Regardless, this winter we seem to always find a way to fail. I don't feel great about a southern trend and I don't feel good about a northern trend. Either of those scenarios could play out.  

 

CMC is encouraging. 

 

I keep telling myself that one of these opportunities has to break right for us this winter...

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On a positive note...at least this will be the last threat while we are in this regime.  We may fail with the upcoming pattern as we enter March but at least it will be for different reasons.  It's getting tiresome hoping for weak/shredded...We need to start a pattern where we are rooting for more amped...

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17 minutes ago, Cobalt said:

Better than showing a hit North of us. We've seen it before. If it were to show the perfect hit for us right now, we'd be pretty much fooked lol. Better than what the ICON/0z GGEM were showing and even the EPS last night.

It's best to have the models split.  If some miss us to the north and some to the south, we're in pretty good shape when they start to converge.  That's one of the things I liked about the EPS last night.  There were a good number of tracks to both our north and our south.

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1 hour ago, Bob Chill said:

I disagree to an extent. Yes, ops have teased and pulled the rug a lot this year but I can't think of a single time they did it under 72 hours. The early December storm backed in under 72 hours but other than that, all opportunities (as meager as they've been) have done well from 72 hours in. 

Ensemble guidance *in general* has done remarkably well d10+. Especially the CFS. Specific sensible wx is what frustrates people the most but ops d4+ have never been reliable except for rare cases. I don't see how this winter is any different than any other year with mid range stuff. The problem is that the MA has fallen short on almost all ops so it's very memorable and not in a good way. But that doesn't mean models have had a high fail rate. They've done pretty well. It depends on expectations so the grading is subjective. 

Now that we seem to be headed towards the first real Atlantic block in Jan 2011, ops will probably start doing better in the d4-5+ range but better still includes head fakes and run over run jumps. 

Fair points man and I get ya, but I feel the ensembles have had their issues in the LR. 

We all know that ops inside 4 days are the way to go and while the goalpost narrow we live in a region where 100 miles makes a very very large difference in mby forecasts and in a pattern that is unstable the cliffs get mighty full. A nice stable long wave pattern would calm the masses but for the near and mid term that ain’t  happening. Threading needles 

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11 minutes ago, BristowWx said:

The GFS run is troubling regardless of the other guidance.  at least to me.  its Tuesday I know.  but this year its seems to lock on scenarios like a pit bull.  and the other guidance gives in like a poodle

Seeing as it just had it on us at 06z, you can't really call it "locked", lol (it's not like other times this winter where the GFS has been plain stubborn) Still some moving parts here...

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28 minutes ago, Ji said:

yep...getting zero precip is a great recipe for a snowstorm

Stop it...you know that these boundary waves tend to trend north inside 72 hours 90 percent of the time.  We just witnessed it twice in a row last week when both systems looked promising from range and ended up north of us.  Could this one stay south...sure...but you definitely want the gfs to show it south at this range and not north of us.  So stop acting like you just started playing this game yesterday you're better then that.  

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29 minutes ago, Ji said:

this will probably end up like our other feb storms where we get a trace before it goes to sleet and rain haha

Then you go and complain the GFS is south in your next post....I don't know if this is the one we finally get lucky...these waves are tricky, the "win" zone is relatively narrow and they bounce around a lot in a progressive pattern but things are just about where I would want them at this time range...last few times when the wave started near us or just north they trended more amplified and north the last 4-5 days until we ended up with mostly a rain storm.  This look is fine to me right now.  In the end it could still end up a rain storm, or maybe this wave stays just to our south...but you are complaining about it being too far north and south IN THE SAME RUN.

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9 minutes ago, psuhoffman said:

Stop it...you know that these boundary waves tend to trend north inside 72 hours 90 percent of the time.  We just witnessed it twice in a row last week when both systems looked promising from range and ended up north of us.  Could this one stay south...sure...but you definitely want the gfs to show it south at this range and not north of us.  So stop acting like you just started playing this game yesterday you're better then that.  

yes i know psu..i know how it works...storms always trend north....till you actually need them to trend north. And both storms last week were always west and north of us....they were never underneath. We just benefited from having some cold air in place before the precip attacked

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14 minutes ago, psuhoffman said:

Then you go and complain the GFS is south in your next post....I don't know if this is the one we finally get lucky...these waves are tricky, the "win" zone is relatively narrow and they bounce around a lot in a progressive pattern but things are just about where I would want them at this time range...last few times when the wave started near us or just north they trended more amplified and north the last 4-5 days until we ended up with mostly a rain storm.  This look is fine to me right now.  In the end it could still end up a rain storm, or maybe this wave stays just to our south...but you are complaining about it being too far north and south IN THE SAME RUN.

He's not going to be freaking happy unless it shows him in the jackpot run after run after run up till verification. eta: And he still will not be happy because he will find something else wrong with it.

I put him on ignore so I wouldn't have to read his inane whining and yet you all keep reply to his BS posts. PLEASE just ignore him. 

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12 minutes ago, Ji said:

yes i know psu..i know how it works...storms always trend north....till you actually need them to trend north. And both storms last week were always west and north of us....they were never underneath. We just benefited from having some cold air in place before the precip attacked

I think what may be annoying to some is you argue from a non-logical "it's always opposite of where we want it" perspective that's not rooted in the data of the current storm. Not saying seasonal trends don't mean anything, but you can't bring the emotional "baggage" of the rest of the season into each new storm...Yes, it's hard to be optimistic in a bad year when stuff hasn't broken right--I get that...but ya can't keep dredging that up to the point of only seeing the worst case scemario...because each storm in this kind of pattern is a wildcard! Have you not been negative in the past with a storm and it ended up being a hit?

So in summary... 

Stating concerns based on current data? Constructive. Stating concerns (and complaints) based on seasonal "it's gonna go wrong because it will"? Not so much. Again, I get the emotion, but for the purposes of this thread? Not good!

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