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Major Hurricane Irma


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1 hour ago, donsutherland1 said:

As of this afternoon, my thinking is that East Coast landfall remains more likely than not (approximately a 60% probability). The Southeast (especially in an area running from Georgia to North Carolina) is probably much more likely to see landfall than an area running from Virginia to New England.

However, I don't think the 12z ECMWF can be dismissed outright. Whether a deep low forms over eastern Canada could hold the key. Looking back to past storms, there's one potential close fit to what the ECMWF is showing: Hurricane #6 in 1866, which peaked as a Category 4 storm before recurving sharply away from the U.S. East Coast.

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Just out of curiosity, how in the world were they able to record such detailed data back then about a hurricanes track and intensity without satellites and all of the weather instruments we have today?

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3 minutes ago, Ridingtime said:

Just out of curiosity, how in the world were they able to record such detailed data back then about a hurricanes track and intensity without satellites and all of the weather instruments we have today?

The detail was not as great as it is today. But data could be plotting from busy shipping lanes and then on land. Re-analysis provided additional extrapolated data.

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The detail was not as great as it is today. But data could be plotting from busy shipping lanes and then on land. Re-analysis provided additional extrapolated data.

Yes. Barometers were pretty common place by the 1860s in ports, island communties and especially ships. Though far from perfect, logs were reconstructed to get an idea of location, track and intensity. Obviously things got a lot better communication-wise with telegraph lines and an organized bureau. Still, many intense storms were likley never recorded away from land or in the absence of ships.


Back to Irma, the most important info out of the VDM was the pressure and size of the eyewall. 958 with a 30nm diameter without a concentric feature. If cloud debris can clear out this may deepen significantly.
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2 minutes ago, Windspeed said:

Yes. Barometers were pretty common place by the 1860s in ports, island communties and especially ships. Though far from perfect, logs were reconstructed to get an idea of location, track and intensity. Obviously things got a lot better communication-wise with telegraph lines and an organized bureau. Still, many intense storms were likley never recorded away from land or in the absence of ships.


Back to Irma, the most important info out of the VDM was the pressure and size of the eyewall. 958 with a 30nm diameter without a concentric feature. If cloud debris can clear out this may deepen significantly.

I think the guidance that shows rapid intensification is probably reasonable. I'm not sure about a sub 900 mb pressure, but something around 920 mb is plausible.

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1 minute ago, WesterlyWx said:

Tommy untrained eye, WAR looks a good bit weaker, this is looking very Euroish. Thinking this may have an escape OTS just like the Euro...

It's more like the Euro, yes.  Let's see if it builds in the ridge to pull it west.

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At 162 the eye is due east of Miami but 30+ kt onshore winds extend up to the OBX. If that were to verify the southern coast would see pretty strong onshore winds for a couple of days, regardless of where the storm center winds up. That's a problem in itself.

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