Lava Rock Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 This stuff has some meat to it, Heavy and wet just what we need for trails. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ma blizzard Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 11.5" final imby .. snow is till plastered on to everything despite temperatures falling into the upper 20s after 11 am occasionally can hear a crack or pop noise followed by a falling branch in the backyard - mostly smaller branches Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rgwp96 Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 I have never heard of that. The does not sound right. It would completely screw up all previous snow amounts for years. cocorahs took out clearing method as well http://cocorahs.org/...ringSnow2.1.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dryslot Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 just what we need for trails. You know it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 Actually, most weather records were done recording the snowfall after the snow ended until the early 1990s. Many of us argued exactly what you are saying - it would completely screw up all previous snow amounts. It's the reason that I continue to do the old method because I would never be able to compare new measurements with old ones. But that's what I mean. If they changed the rule, and climo sites, etc were clearing every 6 hrs for 20 yrs or whatever....it messes those records up again. Just let it be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 cocorahs took out clearing method as well http://cocorahs.org/...ringSnow2.1.pdf Ha, congrats NWS for more confusion and changing things again. Snow measuring really is not consistent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 Did you clear at 6 hours? I think that made difference for me. yes,you got into a great band, Sterling had 11 too. Just beautiful but damn another huge branch just went boom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rgwp96 Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 There has to be a time frame put on it... you can't just say when the snow stops. You could have all different timing issues and settlement problems. Snowfall is essentially a measurement of snowflakes that fall out of the sky (thus elevated white painted board and clear every 6-hours to accurately collect those snowflakes falling from the sky). Snow depth is what's on the ground. i think they are seeing to much inconsistent numbers were say half clear and others dont. not everyone has the chance to clear every 6 hrs. As for the public most see the snowdepth as whats on the ground. i for one have always measured the non clearing way . it just makes everything more consistent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TauntonBlizzard2013 Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 Still snowing lightly..... Coming to an end though 10" or just a side less..... Great event Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JC-CT Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 i think they are seeing to much inconsistent numbers were say half clear and others dont. not everyone has the chance to clear every 6 hrs. As for the public most see the snowdepth as whats on the ground. i for one have always measured the non clearing way . it just makes everything more consistent More consistently wrong though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JC-CT Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 Why don't we all just take one measurement around May 1st and call it a day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sankaty Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 10" Sun is now out. What a crazy winter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 Still snowing lightly..... Coming to an end though 10" or just a side less..... Great event One last hurrah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 Hard to do that when one's workplace is 30+ miles from home. I clear at 7 AM for cocorahs and at 9 PM because that's been my obs time since 1976 and I wish to keep consistency. If I'm home during an extended snowfall, sometimes I'll clear at 2 PM. Had another half hour puff of +SN 2:30-3, then back to moderate with tiny flakes. Must be approaching 6" in Augusta. Yeah...it's tough to make volunteers measure every 6hrs when they have jobs and require 8hrs of sleep. It keeps all COOPs on the same standard too.I think the NWS prefers the 6hr clearings since they have the contracted airport observers doing it. I've been clearing at 6-8hrs since I moved here and have no problem doing it so I'm not changing it now. I think cocorahs still suggests 6hrs too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 i think they are seeing to much inconsistent numbers were say half clear and others dont. not everyone has the chance to clear every 6 hrs. As for the public most see the snowdepth as whats on the ground. i for one have always measured the non clearing way . it just makes everything more consistentDebatable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TauntonBlizzard2013 Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 One last hurrah. Yup..... Looks like one more push... Maybe another half inch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rgwp96 Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 Yeah...it's tough to make volunteers measure every 6hrs when they have jobs and require 8hrs of sleep. It keeps all COOPs on the same standard too. I think the NWS prefers the 6hr clearings since they have the contracted airport observers doing it. I've been clearing at 6-8hrs since I moved here and have no problem doing it so I'm not changing it now. I think cocorahs still suggests 6hrs too. no mention of it http://cocorahs.org/...ringSnow2.1.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 cocorahs took out clearing method as well http://cocorahs.org/...ringSnow2.1.pdf There is nothing there that says not to clear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapturedNature Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 How do you account for different lengths of storms? Say 36 hour events or something that stops and starts for like 2 days straight? They get recorded on separate days but a notation is made at the end noting the final total. For example, I have 2.5" as of 7AM this morning. The storm total for me was 12.8" so I will record 10.3" for tomorrows 7AM ob but make a note that snow fell from 0300 to 1330 with a total of 12.8". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 no mention of it http://cocorahs.org/...ringSnow2.1.pdf They say if the snow starts at 7am and ends at 1pm to measure it as close to 1pm as possible to prevent settling. Why is settling important to eliminate in a 6hr event, but not a 24hr event? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 cocorahs took out clearing method as well http://cocorahs.org/...ringSnow2.1.pdf Huh? I don't see that addressed anywhere in that link. This is what it states...they just want you to get it before settling but doesn't really address like long drawn out light snow events. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 Good storm . We happy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorEastermass128 Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 About 8.5-9" here as we finish this one up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 Huh? I don't see that addressed anywhere in that link. This is what it states...they just want you to get it before settling but doesn't really address like long drawn out light snow events. SnowMeasuring.jpg The NWS change was specifically directed to COOPs. http://www.nws.noaa.gov/om/coop/reference/Snow_Measurement_Guidelines.pdf I'm not sure if they encourage it for cocorahs as well, but if they really wanted 24hr clearings they'd have the airports do it too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbutts Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapturedNature Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 Yeah...it's tough to make volunteers measure every 6hrs when they have jobs and require 8hrs of sleep. It keeps all COOPs on the same standard too. I think the NWS prefers the 6hr clearings since they have the contracted airport observers doing it. I've been clearing at 6-8hrs since I moved here and have no problem doing it so I'm not changing it now. I think cocorahs still suggests 6hrs too. You can do whatever you need to in order to keep a consistent record. I've just never understood the 6 hour parameter. Why not every two hours or every hour? Why not every 8 hours or 12 hours? If I recall, the argument at the time was to allow for intensity data but in my mind it's totally inaccurate. If it snows for 10 hours and I have 10" of new snow on my board, most people are going to look at that and say that I had 10" of snow. Now, if I clear the board at 6 hours and I have 6" but then the snow gets really fluffy and at the end of the storm I have another 6", the arbitrary clearing the board method now says that 12" of snow fell. I recall that one of the first major events that this came up was I believe in 1996 when PHL set a snowfall record and they said that over 30" of snow had fallen but no one had anything near that on the ground so a lot of the media and public called foul but the NWS cited their new measuring guidelines. Like I said, I accept the fact that it became acceptable at some point but I will keep doing it the original way so I can compare my measurement with storms in the 80s, 70s, 60s and beyond without any compensation or asterisk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 They get recorded on separate days but a notation is made at the end noting the final total. For example, I have 2.5" as of 7AM this morning. The storm total for me was 12.8" so I will record 10.3" for tomorrows 7AM ob but make a note that snow fell from 0300 to 1330 with a total of 12.8". Ah, I guess I'm thinking of different types of events. Like up here (when it used to snow, ha ha) you'll get into a pattern where you have say 2.5" between 7am and 3pm, then nothing from 3pm till midnight, then another 5.5" from midnight till 7am from squalls or something. Total snowfall for 24 hours is 8.0" but the snow depth on an undisturbed area is 6.5"... do you go with 8" or 6.5"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 Good storm . We happyCongrats....you had so much weenie for this system that the gravitation pulled it back. Now share some with NNE next time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapturedNature Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 They say if the snow starts at 7am and ends at 1pm to measure it as close to 1pm as possible to prevent settling. Why is settling important to eliminate in a 6hr event, but not a 24hr event? Because that's what fell. You measure at the end of the storm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SR Airglow Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 Up to 5.5" here(on a parked car not on a snowboard though so we'll see what the total is when I get home), hoping this last band puts us over 6". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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