CoastalWx Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 Not sure if this is the right thread to start a humanitarian/philosophical debate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 on the C-130, mark with injured leg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 Jim reynolds said thousands dead, sad sad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyewall Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 Jim reynolds said thousands dead, sad sad 1,000 in Tacloban is what he is relaying from the Red Cross. This is aftermath footage from the GoPro (no bodies shown if you are worried about that): Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 Jim reynolds said thousands dead, sad sad Given the lvl of surge at Josh's location it would seem anyone who didn't leave close to the water is gone. Probably 10k+.. maybe many more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyewall Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 James Reynolds said 4.5 ft. inside the hotel. I believe that would put the overall surge just under 30ft if that is true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wxeyeNH Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 Given the lvl of surge at Josh's location it would seem anyone who didn't leave close to the water is gone. Probably 10k+.. maybe many more. I would agree. As with large natural disasters the death toll one or two days out increases by 10 fold. Looking at those shanty towns along the coast it will take weeks to get a real death toll. I am sure many, many poor fishing villages along the coast where the construction is the poorest are just gone with a 25 foot surge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donsutherland1 Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 There are people alive today who would not be alive except for the fact that Josh, James & Mark were in Tacloban. IMO, this is a key point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan11295 Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 Was reading about the effects of the storm on the other islands to the west that got hit directly by the storm, obviously the situation is not nearby as dire as where initial landfall occurred, but appears 80-90% of structures were damaged in places like northern Cebu, Capiz, etc. where the eye/center passed over. I would imagine those islands are better protected from very strong typhoons usually due to the eastern islands weakening storms. but this storm was so strong combined with rapid movement likely hit those areas with unprecedented amount of wind damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ncforecaster89 Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 Looking at that video, there's no way Tacloban City experienced category five winds. Those are very poorly constructed buildings that are still standing. In category five winds, we should be seeing the complete demolition of virtually all those buildings, as we saw in Homestead after Andrew. Keeping in mind, the buildings completely destroyed in Andrew were much more structurally superior to what's seen in this video. It appears that the frictional effects of land, both from the N eye wall continually scraping Samar Island from the point of it's initial landfall and the directional flow of wind into the City, made a pretty significant difference in the highest winds they encountered. I say this from the perspective that many more lives might've been lost if the winds had achieved an even greater intensity there. That said, those are still some very impressive wind gusts recorded in James' footage! To me, it's the catastrophic category five storm surge that I find most astonishing. The magnitude of which is clearly seen in the damage it caused there. All said, it's certainly excellent footage from a Meteorological perspective, but an extremely heart-wrenching one on an emotional level. My heart truly goes out for those who are suffering so severely in the aftermath of this phenomenal Typhoon! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 https://twitter.com/sunstarcebu/status/399164832886169600/photo/1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ncforecaster89 Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 Just curious, does anyone know where the barometer reading was being recorded from in Tacloban City? I could be mistaken but I thought I read a report of an official station located in the City. Edit: If so, there should be at least three barometer readings recorded in Tacloban City (including those of Josh and Jim Edds). Very interested in the meteorological data. Although, its importance is far less significant than the search and rescue efforts ongoing in these devastated Communities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan11295 Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 https://twitter.com/sunstarcebu/status/399164832886169600/photo/1 That pic is from Bantayan Island (in between Panay & Cebu Is.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlantStickers Anonymous Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 So glad josh and crew are okay, took a lot of balls to commit to this chase and it's nice they were able to save some lives in the middle of it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunny and Warm Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 James Reynolds said 4.5 ft. inside the hotel. I believe that would put the overall surge just under 30ft if that is true.not disagreeing with your statement other than to point out that the elevation of that hotel may be in question to some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyewall Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 not disagreeing with your statement other than to point out that the elevation of that hotel may be in question to some. Ok I thought it was said to be at 24 ft earlier in the thread but I could be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apm Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 Ok I thought it was said to be at 24 ft earlier in the thread but I could be wrong. James Reynolds implied that it was basically one story for buildings along the water; so 10-12 feet or so? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will - Rutgers Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 As far as I'm concerned, we need more experienced/professional chasers with cameras and scientific instruments setting up shop in places like Tacloban and Guiuan, not fewer. If a drone program was set up to record data from most stages of a cyclone's lifecycle, and also provide pictures and video, would cyclone chasing still be necessary? Because I think the technology is heading that way fairly quickly. It is a real shame this thing was not sampled extensively. I'd pay blood to know the minimum pressure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
das Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 Bopha last year left damage that would support its landfall estimated intensity, vegetation was basically shredded/flattened and nearly every building in Cateel and surrounding areas was severely damaged or destroyed. Somewhat off topic but in keeping with some of the VIIRS IR and Vis shots of this storm: Here's a VIIRS nighttime Lunar Reflectivity shot of Bopha when it was near peak. http://rammb.cira.colostate.edu/projects/npp/20121203_171115_npp_viirs_Lunar-Ref-IR_26WBOPHA_covg100p00.jpg That's not daytime, it's nighttime. Incredible. I'll have to go see if there are any for Haiyan in the library. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 If a drone program was set up to record data from most stages of a cyclone's lifecycle, and also provide pictures and video, would cyclone chasing still be necessary? Because I think the technology is heading that way fairly quickly. It is a real shame this thing was not sampled extensively. I'd pay blood to know the minimum pressure. Point data near landfall is better than no data but recon is needed. I agree eventually we'll get there via unmanned vehicles but maybe not fast enough given the fiscal environment and such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 The videos and pictures they are posting are so powerful,its going to help those people with money donated. This is just one city, the coastal towns are gone man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 reagrding wind speed not being Cat 5 I cropped a really disturbing picture and left a tree in, bark stripping winds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WEATHER53 Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 That looks like some heroic stuff on Josh's part on the video. Really had a sinking feeling late last night. It will be interesting to see how, and if, this event changes his perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Lizard Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 US based charity already active in the RP w/ very low admin/overhead costs. http://www.crosscatholic.org/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyewall Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 I would be cautious in to what we label as "looting" as well. I think most people will be looking for food, water, and medicine. It is a survival situation, as far as I'm concerned there is nothing wrong with grabbing a bottle of water and something to eat in that scenario. I don't think too many where grabbing tv's etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arnold214 Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 Some aerial footage of Tacloban. http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/video/nation/regions/11/09/13/watch-aerial-footage-tacloban-city-disaster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 Completely denuded hillsides Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkeye_wx Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 We are getting a fair amount of info from Tacloban, but I still haven't seen, heard, or read anything about Guiuan and the other towns on the road between Guiuan and Tacloban. There can't be much left of them. I wonder how many of those people tried to ride out the storm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cypress Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 try this http://weather.gladstonefamily.net/site/RPVA http://weather.gladstonefamily.net/site/RPVA?tile=10;showall=1 ftp://ftp.wmo.int/wmo-ddbs/VolA_New/Pub9volA131105x.flatfile Just curious, does anyone know where the barometer reading was being recorded from in Tacloban City? I could be mistaken but I thought I read a report of an official station located in the City.Edit: If so, there should be at least three barometer readings recorded in Tacloban City (including those of Josh and Jim Edds). Very interested in the meteorological data. Although, its importance is far less significant than the search and rescue efforts ongoing in these devastated Communities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 Is that area prone to mudslides during events like this? Have not seen that mentioned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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