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First Winter Storm Threat for New England 2011/12 - II


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Lol...there are groves of trees that are all bare when driving around 1000-1400 feet, but it just depends on what type and where they are. You can get one view of a grove where its all bare and right down the road with some different tree type and exposure will still have a lot of foliage on them.

But if 4" of paste falls, that will def cause some issues.

You must have been driving past the Pit. :)

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Yeah 4" would be very bad I would think.... there's a big difference between 2" and 4" in terms of weight factors on trees. And this will likely be a 6-8:1 ratio snowfall where you can squeeze the water out by making a snowball.

The other thing that can impact trees is that even if the surface thermometers are reading 34-35F with no real ground accumulation, trees are going to be the most susceptible to accumulating snow being elevated and away from the warm ground. In marginal situations the top of a pine tree in your yard is going to have by far the most accumulation of anywhere else, lol. You know, one of those 2" snowfalls where the wet grass is sort of patchy in accumulations (especially if half inch of rain falls first), and there's very little ground accumulation, but every little twig and branch has 2" on it just like your deck railing.

Won't the ratios steadily increase as the colder air penetrates deeper? I'm just speaking from a guess standpoint. So, the rate of weight gain will steadily decrease? Maybe I'm off my rocker. When a 200 year-old maple knocks out my power and crushes my truck, I'll have my answer. Sort of like the "wise old owl" from the old Tootsie-Pop commercials. "Mr. Owl, how many inches does it take to knock down a tree?" "A-one, and a-two, and a-three. Three inches"

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GFS keeps getting closer with this weekend

Yup.

From what I see, I'd favor areas N of I-0- Thursday for any appreciable snow accum. on the order of 2-3"+ Temps. will be borderline and snow growth will not be great. I think many of us will see our first flakes, which is all I am hoping to see. Just a crazy, anomalous weather pattern we are in.

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Right. The NEK gets probably 2-3"...

Well technically the GFS is showing around 0.25" here, similar to over by you (we are on the same latitude if you are at Lyndon State). But it falls as light precip over like 10 hours. Given the time of year, and a 6-8:1 ratio, I'd put like 1" at 0.25" of liquid taking that verbatim. Also the ground is warm and wet from a record wet 12-month period so it will take a frustratingly long time of -SN to get accums.

There's no way you can take this situation and treat it like a normal 10:1 snow on an already frozen ground.

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The GFS argues that a nice band of snow due to mid level frontogenesis gets Powderfreak.

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Soundings still show somewhat of a warm layer aloft. Verbatim this runs sucks for Kevin.

That looks terrain induced... like east winds into the east side of the Spine, and then again eastern slopes of the Dacks on the NY side of Lake Champlain.

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During Irene I had like 15k hits the day before

Yea but Kevin hitting refresh 13000 times counts as a hit each time, LOL, what's a better measure is how many unique visitors. I pumped your blog incessantly and you still dog me mercilessly ,I will put a link on Twitter and FB on Thursday AM when you really have it nailed.

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The GFS argues that a nice band of snow due to mid level frontogenesis gets Powderfreak.

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Soundings still show somewhat of a warm layer aloft. Verbatim this runs sucks for Kevin.

GFS is kind of a torch for awhile in the low levels. At 00z, its all below 0C here down to 911mb, but then it keeps it pretty warm below that. Even the Euro was a lot colder below that...but GFS typically does like to keep it pretty warm near the sfc.

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I don't means the VVs..I'm talking the large and expansive band of moisture up north. The GFS is more aggressive than the NAM.

Ah haha... yeah we can sometimes do ok when SNE gets hit hard if some west-east band sets up well north of the main precip shield. It happens almost exactly like the GFS is showing with some band near Lake Ontario stretching into north/central VT and then over into the Whites.

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Well technically the GFS is showing around 0.25" here, similar to over by you (we are on the same latitude if you are at Lyndon State). But it falls as light precip over like 10 hours. Given the time of year, and a 6-8:1 ratio, I'd put like 1" at 0.25" of liquid taking that verbatim. Also the ground is warm and wet from a record wet 12-month period so it will take a frustratingly long time of -SN to get accums.

There's no way you can take this situation and treat it like a normal 10:1 snow on an already frozen ground.

True statement. I am at LSC in the MET deptartment. Yeah it might add up to 1-2" on grassy surfaces..

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GFS is kind of a torch for awhile in the low levels. At 00z, its all below 0C here down to 911mb, but then it keeps it pretty warm below that. Even the Euro was a lot colder below that...but GFS typically does like to keep it pretty warm near the sfc.

Yeah I ignore the lower levels. It seemed like south of the Pike had a stubborn warm layer at 800mb. On the GFS anyways. I suppose it could be on the warmer side there..and likely also a function if dynamics to a point.

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