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Nice thump on the NAM...in and out though.

Windy is brutal today despite being 41F.

Nam had to come north at 18z. Congrats Stamford.

Nam said what storm 18z run lol. What a crap model.

I've had mood flakes all day, added up to a coating but its festive.

can something actually go right here, I feel like it has been way too many years.....I mean, anything above 5 inches would rank 2nd biggest since 21/22 season

81 in senoia ga, 80 in Myrtle Beach. Not gonna lie, nice day on the beach in Myrtle.

Personally I think you'll be fine (Philly)if you take your time. Then again, I'm the type of guy who likes to drive in horrendous conditions even when media is urging people not to drive. Overall, no one knows but you should kinda see which way we're headed by Friday... ..

Feels like an Old Milwaukee beer commercial. It doesn't get any better than this. That cringe was intentional. But true.

Merry Christmas to you Brother !

Don’t forget Jan 78. It was really nice waking up to a foot of totally unexpected snow.

I’m fairly certain Mt Holly will make adjustments tomorrow to the Watches and or Advisories. I can see them them converting to Warnings even if areas don’t meet the snowfall criteria due to the IP/ZR accums.

NAM coming north with better precip, it's been the least favorable model for SNE

Agreed. Reminds me of the good old days.

A more general answer about outcomes for heavy snowfall Decembers in the past ... 40 Decembers have seen 8.0" or more (of 157 incl 2025 so far) 29 Decembers have seen 10.0" or more. There were only four seasonal totals below 30 inches in these forty winters, and only one below 20 inches. All of those were well back in the record, the more recent snowy Decembers have generally surpassed 40 inches in seasonal totals. Of course, the snowier the December, the less extra snow is required to break any given target, but as a general rule it appears that you can triple to quaadruple total December snowfall to get a reasonable estimate of most winter totals. I noticed a typo in the NWS discussion, they say 8-10 inches is a worst case scenario, we all know they meant best case scenario. (merry Christmas) I will stick to my first call of 3 to 6 inches for the region in general and 8 to 12 inch local banding near Raritan Bay into areas like New Brunswick and Somerville NJ.

Today’s Euro Weeklies didn’t just hold onto all of yesterday’s widespread significant colder changes. They also cooled the only week that wasn’t cooled yesterday: Jan 5-11! Yesterday’s Jan 5-11: Today’s Jan 5-11 is below. This cooling means there are no more widespread mild weeks being forecasted in the E 1/2 of the US like there were just 2 days ago: Today’s also has a stronger suggestion of a +PNA in the means for 1/12-18:

Lately, probably lol.

Is it possible for anyone to tell me the timing of this event? Will I be able to drive around 10 a.m. on Saturday in upper (far) northeast Philadelphia? Hope someone replies. I have someplace I have to be, and am very nervous I won't be able to get out of my house! Thank you so much!

47 and sunny today.

I haven’t seen much guidance that gives any confidence of 6+ out there. Prob will go with WWA tomorrow for E Suffolk and around BDR

I think you may have it worse than Chief Wiggum

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They can have it. Too much disappointment there.

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.SHORT TERM /THURSDAY NIGHT THROUGH SATURDAY NIGHT/... -- Changed Discussion -- What`s Changed: A winter storm watch has been issued for the Lower Hudson Valley, Northeast New Jersey, NYC metro, Nassau, Western Suffolk, and Fairfield County 5pm Friday through 1 pm Saturday. Key Messages: * Confidence in a winter storm impacting the area Friday evening through Saturday morning continues to increase. * Heavy snow is possible Friday night/early Saturday morning. Total accumulation ranges from 4 to 8 inches in the watch area and 2 to 5 inches east of the watch in SE CT and east end of Long Island. Guidance continues to come into agreement on a winter storm moving across the region Friday evening into Saturday morning. A fast moving shortwave and associated middle level energy will traverse around the periphery of an anomalously strong upper ridge over the central states. Ahead of the system, arctic air will advect southward over the northeast Thursday night as high pressure settles over Quebec and ridges down into the area. This high slows down due to blocking over the North Atlantic, which allows the cold air to lock into place over the area through Saturday. Low pressure associated with the aforementioned shortwave energy will approach late Friday and pass across the Middle Atlantic Friday night into Saturday morning. The low should then move further offshore Saturday afternoon. With arctic air in place on Friday (highs in the upper 20s to around 30, and dew points in the single digits), any precip will have a difficult time reaching the ground. This is especially through the middle of the afternoon. Lift ahead of the system begins to increase and saturation will begin from the mid and upper levels and eventually down to the surface by evening. Snow should begin to reach the surface late afternoon and especially in the evening from around the NYC metro on north and west. Further east, it may take a bit more time to saturate and break through the dry air and surface ridging, with accumulating snow likely here overnight Friday into early Saturday morning. Snow, potentially heavy at times, is expected Friday night. Where uncertainty lies is where any heavier bands will set up. We are still just outside the range of the higher resolution modeling. However, there are signals in the global models that hint that heavy banding may set up over portions of the area, especially within the watch. There is an impressive thermal gradient with the arctic air over New England, with milder air further south and west over the Ohio Valley. Mid level frontogenesis (H7) will increase substantially Friday evening and continue through early Saturday morning. The region also lies within the left exit region of the upper jet allowing for larger scale lift to coincide with the middle level lift. Lift should begin to weaken Saturday morning, but there may be some left over light snow across some parts of the area in the morning before ending midday. The region of the strongest lower/middle lift remains in question and may fluctuate a bit over the next several model cycles, but overall the general idea does not change with this upcoming event. Probabilities have increased for a warning level (6" or more of snow) with the latest with the latest WPC WWD and NBM. This has led to an increase in the areal coverage of higher probabilities (around 50%) in the WPC WSO. Based on these trends as well as increasing confidence in evolution of the system, have issued a winter storm watch for all but the east end of Long Island and south central and eastern Long Island. Confidence lowers a bit across Long Island and southern Connecticut, but felt western Suffolk and Fairfield were close enough to warning criteria to include in a watch. There is greater uncertainty further east due to the interaction with the lingering surface ridging/dry air and overall lower liquid equivalents. Snowfall Forecast: 4 to 8 inches possible within the watch area and 2 to 5 inches further east outside of the watch. A reasonable worst case scenario of 8 to 10 inches currents exists within the watch area with potential locations further east could still see warning criteria met. Snowfall rates: Peak rates around 1 inch per hour possible. There is a low chance rates could come close to 2 inches per hour in heavier banding. The snow may initially begin with a higher ratio (drier snow) and then trend to a lower ratio (wetter) as the storm moves across the area. This will be fine tuned over the next day or so as high range guidance comes into range and the event draws closer. There is still some concern with the warm advection aloft Friday night bringing in a mix with sleet late in the event. Some earlier model runs were showing this potential. The latest NBM probability of sleet is very low and trends seem to be leaning towards keeping the precipitation all snow across the area. Models can sometimes underestimate the warm advection aloft. This is something that will need to be watched, especially for parts of northeast NJ and interior Lower Hudson Valley as this is the direction the warm air aloft tries to move in from the west. There are no wind concerns with this event as the pressure gradient is relatively weak. Temperatures Thursday night will bottom out in the teens to lower 20s. Highs on Friday will only be in the upper 20s to around 30. Temperatures during the snow Friday night should be in the mid to upper 20s with highs on Saturday struggling to rise above freezing -- End Changed Discussion --