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-PDO this year as well

0.20" total at my house, same as smokeybandit. 27 F this morning, first sub-40 and first sub-32 of the season too! I'll start a cold season thread.

You have a much better shot than we do east of the river; let’s see how quick you clear and then see If we can clear out.

Do you think we’ll progress the same as 1997 or are you just talking about the warmth being the same for the east coast when winter is over?

0.35" yesterday. Rest of the month looks pretty quiet.

Love when we get a wedge like this, makes for some easy and great photography if you're willing to wake with the sun.

October 16 1996: Early evening storms produce 3/4 to 1 3/4 inch hail in Nicollet, Dakota, Brown, Watonwan, and Martin Counties. In Scott County near St. Patrick, hail fell intermittently for an hour and the area received 3 1/2 inches of rainfall. In Watonwan County, wind gusts up to 63 mph moved several garages off their foundations, destroyed a cattle shed and a corn crib, and uprooted and toppled trees. Southwest of Lake Crystal in Blue Earth County, a garage was blown over onto a vehicle. A 250 gallon fuel tank was also blown over. 1937: A snowstorm dumps 10 inches at Bird Island. 1880: An early blizzard occurs in Minnesota. The blizzard struck western Minnesota and the eastern Dakotas especially hard. Over a foot of snow fell in western counties. Railroads were blocked, and damage was done to Great Lakes shipping. For Friday, October 16, 2026 1913 - The temperature in Downtown San Francisco soared to 101 degrees to equal their record for October. (The Weather Channel) 1937 - An unlikely winter-like storm produced as much as ten inches of snow in Minnesota and Iowa. 1987 - Ten cities in the southeastern U.S. reported record low temperatures for the date. The low of 34 degrees at Augusta GA marked their third straight morning of record cold. A cold front brought showers and thunderstorms to parts of the central U.S. Lightning struck a bull and six cows under a tree near Battiest OK. (The National Weather Summary) 1988 - Late afternoon thunderstorms produced severe weather in southwestern Lower Michigan and northern Indiana. One thunderstorm spawned a tornado north of Nappanee IN which caused half a million dollars damage. Six cities in California reported record high temperatures for the date. The afternoon high of 100 degrees at Red Bluff CA was the latest such reading of record for so late in the autumn season. (The National Weather Summary) (Storm Data) 1989 - Heavy snow blanketed the foothills of Colorado. Up to three inches was reported around Denver. Echo Lake was buried under nineteen inches of snow. Temperatures again warmed into the 80s and lower 90s in the eastern and south central U.S. Thirteen cities reported record high temperatures for the date, including Atlantic City NJ with a reading of 84 degrees. (Storm Data) (The National Weather Summary) Observances: 16 Fri World Food Day 16 Fri National Sports Day 16 Fri Boss's Day 16 Fri Dictionary Day 16 Fri Global Cat Day 16 Fri National Mammography Day 16 Fri Department Store Day 16 Fri World Spine Day 16 Fri National Boss's Day 16 Fri National Department Store Day 16 Fri National Feral Cat Day 16 Fri National Liqueur Day 16 Fri World Allergy Awareness Day

Very distinct this morning.

Hasty generalization fallacy. Avoid it.

While I enjoy the early foliage with reds/oranges mixed with greens the most, something also enjoyable about the yellows fading at the end of foliage season.

We’ll have our shots. And we will have our cold shots as well.

Full on sun out here north of Winchester

What was your forecast for last winter?

should be back for you by Sunday and here by Monday. next week looks pretty solid.

We disagree but that’s ok

The North American pattern has looked nothing like 1997 to this point. 1997 had a cold November for much of the country. I’m skeptical that we see that same pattern this year. 1997 also had a wintrier pattern the first half of winter than the second. I’m also skeptical of that. We may very well end up with the same results as that winter when all is said and done but if the progression and the way we get there is completely different than is tough to say it’s a match IMO.

Exactly, it’s pretty hard for it not to snow that far north in early January. By the way I am aware there were a couple coastals that winter where it was marginally cold enough to snow inland with enough elevation. I fully expect the same this winter. If you’re over 2,000’. .

Snow is definitely the wild card as it is for any winter. But we will be mild.

I’m just sitting back smiling.

Throw in the state of the PDO into the mix too. I haven't followed too closely the progression of the PDO since spring/summer but it seems to me like the -PDO has re-established itself to some degree...can't really strong Nino's with this degree of PDO regime.

Greta is an idiot…you see what she’s doing now. She’s a goof…you deal.

The 6Z UKMET brought it back way NW to within 300 miles of NC though not quite as close as the UK runs 0Z 10/14 through 6Z 10/15 that were only 200 miles SE of NC. That now means that for the first time that ALL of the latest runs of the major globals have it affecting parts of the E coast. I wonder if this should have its own thread in the SE forum soon since the threat for a major impact on at least E NC has increased substantially. It’s also being discussed in the main tropical thread because it may very well turn out to be ST or hybrid.

Go for a warm winter and you win more often than not. That’s just the new Greta regime now. Deal.

Early Jan 1998 icestorm in New England and eastern Canada