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Feb 22nd/23rd "There's no way..." Obs Thread

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1 minute ago, Dendrimer77 said:

Absolutely more of a B than a A though, but mostly agree 

The closed surface contours came out of the Gulf Coast and really deepened off the SC coast. Miller Bs have a low cross Kentucky or Tennessee and don't really explosively deepen as much as this one will.

https://www.spc.noaa.gov/exper/ma_archive/action5.php?BASICPARAM=pmsl.gif&STARTYEAR=2026&STARTMONTH=02&STARTDAY=23&STARTTIME=00&INC=-48

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Just out cleaning off and starting the jeep. My next post will be from Easton. Hate to leave this. Last shot before I go. Some of those flakes are 2"    

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Fantastic up here.

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Everything is going as planned. Accums won't really start for another 3-5 hrs, especially after sunset. Temps will drop to near and below freezing and rates will increase. The ULL formation to our sou

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1 minute ago, Nomz said:

The closed surface contours came out of the Gulf Coast and really deepened off the SC coast. Miller Bs have a low cross Kentucky or Tennessee and don't really explosively deepen as much as this one will.

https://www.spc.noaa.gov/exper/ma_archive/action5.php?BASICPARAM=pmsl.gif&STARTYEAR=2026&STARTMONTH=02&STARTDAY=23&STARTTIME=00&INC=-48

Ehhhh the H5 setup is more B than A. Honestly it’s a freak setup where the jet streams aren’t doing what they should be for a miller storm but they manage to still get positioned correctly 

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Absolutely more of a B than a A though, but mostly agree 

There’s no primary low in the Tennessee / OHV with coastal redevelopment. We didn’t get “skipped over”. Things just developed too far east and the best dynamics were ENE of the area. It happens. A lot. CAPE talks about these coastal scrapers pretty regularly every niña winter season.

This was more of a hybrid situation. Also, semantics. It doesn’t matter lol
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1 minute ago, jayyy said:


Chase the damn thing when possible!

2-3” per hour easily in some of these bands. Mashed fuckin’ potatoes

Reed Timmer says it best.

NEVER STOP CHASING!

Full force blizzard conditions with rates 2-3" per hour. Winds gusting 40+. I swear I saw a flash of distant lightning about 20 minutes ago. Just an absolute smoke show. 

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There’s no primary low in the Tennessee / OHV with coastal redevelopment. We didn’t get “skipped over”. Things just developed too far east and the best dynamics were ENE of the area. It happens. A lot. CAPE talks about this coastal scrapers pretty regularly every niña winter season.

This was more of a hybrid situation. Also, semantics. It doesn’t matter lol

 

1 minute ago, SnowenOutThere said:

Ehhhh the H5 setup is more B than A. Honestly it’s a freak setup where the jet streams aren’t doing what they should be for a miller storm but they manage to still get positioned correctly 

Agree with both of you that it isn't really either. Don't know enough about 500mb of either to say which way this one went. TBF not really sure why we have the Miller B or Miller A buckets when most storms aren't gonna fit cleanly in one or another.

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Damn, really? I guess ya’ll have more elevation. H and North Cap aren’t gonna cave this go. Have I said I’m so glad I went to the burbs for this one yet?

Yea marginally I’m up near Kalorama.  The snow has been pretty good here the last half hour or so 

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Reed Timmer says it best.
NEVER STOP CHASING!
Full force blizzard conditions with rates 2-3" per hour. Winds gusting 40+. I swear I saw a flash of distant lightning about 20 minutes ago. Just an absolute smoke show. 

11.5” report just to my south in Lakewood. Unreal conditions since 7pm. Almost all of it has fallen since then.

Enjoy!
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1 hour ago, WEATHER53 said:

Radar is wild with rotation so clear and right now the snow is moving north  to south from York PA down onto DC 

That rotation pattern up into PA and a then around and back back down and to DC. Counter clockwise at its best 

The flow down into  DC is hardly moving east 

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4 minutes ago, Nomz said:

The closed surface contours came out of the Gulf Coast and really deepened off the SC coast. Miller Bs have a low cross Kentucky or Tennessee and don't really explosively deepen as much as this one will.

https://www.spc.noaa.gov/exper/ma_archive/action5.php?BASICPARAM=pmsl.gif&STARTYEAR=2026&STARTMONTH=02&STARTDAY=23&STARTTIME=00&INC=-48

Miller As are typically more consolidated. Miller Bs tend to have a coastal transfer/screw job. There was upper level energy diving in from the Midwest which was the spark. I agree that it doesn’t need to be all or none, so whatever it was…the cold air took too long to arrive.

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13 minutes ago, Nomz said:

The closed surface contours came out of the Gulf Coast and really deepened off the SC coast. Miller Bs have a low cross Kentucky or Tennessee and don't really explosively deepen as much as this one will.

https://www.spc.noaa.gov/exper/ma_archive/action5.php?BASICPARAM=pmsl.gif&STARTYEAR=2026&STARTMONTH=02&STARTDAY=23&STARTTIME=00&INC=-48

Miller Bs aren't judged by their explosiveness. 96 was a B. 

The lack of Low over the Ohio Valley is the main argument going for an A. 

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11 minutes ago, dailylurker said:

Reed Timmer says it best.

NEVER STOP CHASING!

Full force blizzard conditions with rates 2-3" per hour. Winds gusting 40+. I swear I saw a flash of distant lightning about 20 minutes ago. Just an absolute smoke show. 

You might have called it. WBOC mentioned Thundersnow reports in Sussex county. Either that or another transformer went lol

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Under an advisory down here but of the wind variety. It's howling with some random flurries so at least I got some snow. Rain performed well. It poured last night lol. 

The Miller a/b debate has been going on since I joined Eastern in 06. The truth is that true/clean Miller As and Bs are more rare than something in between. The majority of our coastals are hybrids and have parts of both. Imo, the current storm is not a Miller B screw job at all. There was a solid period of WAA precip AND half decent backside precip. Those are pretty good to the DMV. Screw jobs are either late developers with no WAA precip or having the WAA die off and lull during the transfer then everything after is too late for the MA latitude. 

The current storm is what you want with a hybrid but the front side was wasted because of temps. That's just the way it goes sometimes. It will happen again

 

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