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First Winter Storm to kickoff 2025-26 Winter season


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The only time I would bring in sun angle in December is if we have like a light glazing situation with temps near freezing....that actually happened in the Dec 2008 ice storm....we were having trouble accreting during the day on 12/11 with temps of like 31F, but it went to town when the sun set. 

Maybe it would also make a difference if you were having like a steady light snow near 32F. So maybe in the first few hours of this storm it could have a marginal impact, but it's not doing anything once you get to moderate rates. 

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8 minutes ago, 40/70 Benchmark said:

Jesus...between winter solstice sun angle trepidation and 2-11" ranges WTF is going on at BOX? Did they put @Snowcrazed71in charge?

Wtf .. what the heck did I do.... Lol  I'm not a meteorologist, I'm just here to talk about what I like. I never claimed to know anything. Are you a meteorologist? I can't remember

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17 minutes ago, KTBFFH1905 said:

Hoping for at least 3-6 for us here in Avon.

 

I do think you have a better shot than me. I used to live in Avon right on the Canton line. I remember going into work to West Hartford. I would always do better when it came to the amount of snow than West Hartford.... Especially for the elevation events.  

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1 minute ago, CoastalWx said:

Man hrrr is a furnace. Not sure I buy that either.

Lol, basically has no snow in SNE outside of far N ORH county and N Berkshires. Completely different evolution though...doesn't close off 850 until way later than other guidance. 

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46 minutes ago, ORH_wxman said:

The only time I would bring in sun angle in December is if we have like a light glazing situation with temps near freezing....that actually happened in the Dec 2008 ice storm....we were having trouble accreting during the day on 12/11 with temps of like 31F, but it went to town when the sun set. 

Maybe it would also make a difference if you were having like a steady light snow near 32F. So maybe in the first few hours of this storm it could have a marginal impact, but it's not doing anything once you get to moderate rates. 

Yeah between ~ Nov 10 and Feb 10, that range gets the lowest solar insolation.  We can get away with at least holding ice between 10 and 2pm in icing situations at 32/no new... vs losing at that same temperature and marginal condition outside that date range. 

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46 minutes ago, dryslot said:

I get that other guidance has got better, But you use to be able to lock the Euro inside 84hrs, Those days are gone.

This is what I mean.  Once it locked in…it was deadly.  Whatever they did to it(supposedly to make it better), totally messed it up. And all the upgrades since have made it even worse. What a dam shame.  Talk about if ain’t broke, don’t fix it. 
 

And it’s hilarious how some pros will defend it till the end, and say it’s better now cuz it nails the 850’s in the Southern Hemisphere down in Argentina.  :lol:

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Just now, HoarfrostHubb said:

Epstein mentioned the non-frozen ground as a factor for roads in his podcast this morning (just for the marginal areas). 

TBH.... I don't expect the roads to be snowy during the daytime on Tuesday around the Hartford area, but once the sun goes down, I think that will change.

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6 minutes ago, jbenedet said:

When people lump my climo in with DAW…while I’m 8 miles southeast… and 200 ft lower in elevation. Just shake my head.

This is like the 20th time in 10 years that the coastal front will be right over my head.

 

I know several people who live in that area and they would agree with your post..

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