November 2025 general discussions and probable topic derailings ...

[dendrite]

3 minutes ago, CoastalWx said:

20 for you and 70 for Wolfie?

Hopefully that’s the seasonal snowfall.

[CoastalWx]

I do hear you on the sunlight. At least have it light until 6. Getting dark at 4 sucks. 

[WinterWolf]

5 minutes ago, dendrite said:

Evenings just feel like forever cooped up inside the house before bedtime. I loathe TV so I don’t have much to do except troll here. I try to do some yardwork and the sun is behind the trees by 130pm. There’s no real imminent winter threats yet so it’s just a colder, darker version of fall. Give me some UVB.

Ya I get that…some snow would take the edge off that as you say.  

[Sey-Mour Snow]

2 minutes ago, CoastalWx said:

I do hear you on the sunlight. At least have it light until 6. Getting dark at 4 sucks. 

I enjoy the early sunsets, gives that holiday season vibe, the darkness driving to work at 5am sucks though, the sun helps wake me up.

[weatherwiz]

Snow makes the early sunsets much more tolerable for sure. There is nothing like it being dark out at 4:30 with heavy snow falling and just the quietness outside with nobody driving. One thing that doesn't bother me either is the stars. Last night I was outside with the dog at like 6:15 and the sky was perfectly clear with plenty of stars overhead and the stars were bright and vibrant. I also did get a little sad though thinking back to the summer when it was 6:15 and just sitting outside drinking a beer. 

I think the key though with early sunsets and the seasonal depression stuff is just trying to stay busy...which is hard when you're cooped up inside because there isn't much to do outside. Early sunsets never really used to bother me until maybe the last 4-5 years and I've thought why that is...figured maybe just getting older but then it dawned on me. I used to be very active doing stuff...had season tickets to the Wolf Pack and would go to road games that they would play locally sometimes there could be like 3 games a week. Plus school kept me busy...then I finished school, and it was just work and being lazy. But being back in school + work...don't have time to notice it being dark  

[Kitz Craver]

18 minutes ago, WinterWolf said:

Lots of uncertainty..what else is new. But with the potential SSW it’ll be some time until we know how that affects things(if at all)  down the line ultimately.  

Hmmm, Uncertainty… you don’t say

[Kitz Craver]

3 minutes ago, weatherwiz said:

Snow makes the early sunsets much more tolerable for sure. There is nothing like it being dark out at 4:30 with heavy snow falling and just the quietness outside with nobody driving. One thing that doesn't bother me either is the stars. Last night I was outside with the dog at like 6:15 and the sky was perfectly clear with plenty of stars overhead and the stars were bright and vibrant. I also did get a little sad though thinking back to the summer when it was 6:15 and just sitting outside drinking a beer. 

I think the key though with early sunsets and the seasonal depression stuff is just trying to stay busy...which is hard when you're cooped up inside because there isn't much to do outside. Early sunsets never really used to bother me until maybe the last 4-5 years and I've thought why that is...figured maybe just getting older but then it dawned on me. I used to be very active doing stuff...had season tickets to the Wolf Pack and would go to road games that they would play locally sometimes there could be like 3 games a week. Plus school kept me busy...then I finished school, and it was just work and being lazy. But being back in school + work...don't have time to notice it being dark  

Having a dog helps tremendously. Forces you to stay active and get out regardless of the sun cycle

[Typhoon Tip]

Definitely a colder complexion returned to the guidance overnight.  There were some odd solutions there for a couple cycles when considering the principle component/indexes.   

Likely it was just typical pattern change guidance games all along.  We see this going the other way in April where the indexes suggest the season's first big warm up ... but then the GFS wanders off in a spontaneous pita-flop day dream in the other direction.  

So in this situation .. I'm wondering if we might end up in a split flow type during those first couple of weeks of Dec.   There's likely to verify that large scale -WPO/-EPO changing of the guard over the Pacific, but there's been some persistence in the various ensemble clusters to pin the geopotential anomalies along 120 W.   Typically that results in flow bifurcation over the Pac NW, with the N resulting stream being a cold loader flow spanning across Canada, while the S branch meanders through the S Rockies... This can be good for overrunning storm types.   If the blocking features lose latitude if/where they set up ...that may trigger more +PNA response underneath than we are presently seeing - whole different ball game. 

But the idea here is a seasonal dump ( we'll see if all this results in more as the times near) of polar-arctic cold at least down to 40 N across the Continent.  As far as particularly dailies and what storms form, if/where those do or not... etc etc... too vague for the time being to make much of any play call.  

[weatherwiz]

8 minutes ago, Kitz Craver said:

Having a dog helps tremendously. Forces you to stay active and get out regardless of the sun cycle

Yes, although now its a bit more difficult since last summer our dog had a severe spinal stroke which has left very little mobility/control of his back legs so his playing days are over. But the hope from the neurologist was over time he would get back to 100% but it never happened. We did a third and final MRI back at the end of the summer and it revealed the part of his spine that had the stroke (it was his second one) is slowly being replaced by fluid, so we went the wheel chair route and he loves it...can go on walks again! But being able to go on walks again is phenomenal. 

[MJO812]

I want 6 months of darkness 

[CoastalWx]

4 minutes ago, MJO812 said:

I want 6 months of darkness 

Instead you have 6 months of sweat. Enjoy!

[WX-PA]

7 minutes ago, MJO812 said:

I want 6 months of darkness 

Barrow for you my friend

[WinterWolf]

35 minutes ago, Kitz Craver said:

Hmmm, Uncertainty… you don’t say

I think what I said is very true… models catching on to SSW and the changes that may cause will take some more time. 

[Chrisrotary12]

1 hour ago, dendrite said:

A gloppy 5:1 mashed potato event?

Only if we go full December 2020. Non-stop shotgun blasts. 

[Typhoon Tip]

24 minutes ago, MJO812 said:

I want 6 months of darkness 

You're a lost soul to the realm you were meant to roam.     Utqiagvik calls to you.     

The sun just set at that location and won't rise again until January 22nd.   

[Damage In Tolland]

50 minutes ago, Sey-Mour Snow said:

I enjoy the early sunsets, gives that holiday season vibe, the darkness driving to work at 5am sucks though, the sun helps wake me up.

It’s great when it’s snowing . Really helps the holiday vibes heading into a snowy holiday night . Well that was when it used to snow 

[dendrite]

3 minutes ago, Chrisrotary12 said:

Only if we go full December 2020. Non-stop shotgun blasts. 

I was just trying to give Scooter something with his gravy.

[HIPPYVALLEY]

8 minutes ago, Damage In Tolland said:

It’s great when it’s snowing . Really helps the holiday vibes heading into a snowy holiday night . Well that was when it used to snow 

Anything before mid December is going to require a bit of luck with regards to timing of cold air masses.  
I know sometimes you exaggerate, but I get it, it feels important to get an early season system to produce at least a few inches for SNE set a good winter vibe. 

[dryslot]

Another morning in the teens here, 18.9°F was the low, Been on a run of teens low 20's for the past 7 days or so.

[Damage In Tolland]

5 minutes ago, HIPPYVALLEY said:

Anything before mid December is going to require a bit of luck with regards to timing of cold air masses.  
I know sometimes you exaggerate, but I get it, it feels important to get an early season system to produce at least a few inches for SNE set a good winter vibe. 

If the mets are right with our window only being Dec 1-15 before it warms again.. it’s another warm holiday period 

[WinterWolf]

22 minutes ago, Damage In Tolland said:

If the mets are right with our window only being Dec 1-15 before it warms again.. it’s another warm holiday period 

Don’t think that’s gonna happen this year…but torture yourself if you must. 

[Damage In Tolland]

5 minutes ago, WinterWolf said:

Don’t think that’s gonna happen this year…but torture yourself if you must. 

Ask Scooter 

[ORH_wxman]

Holiday period is way out there a month-plus from now, but none of the guidance has that period as a torch right now. If anything, it shows up as pretty damned cold on weeklies. 

[WxWatcher007]

27 minutes ago, WinterWolf said:

Don’t think that’s gonna happen this year…but torture yourself if you must. 

The rev has forsaken his flock

[Typhoon Tip]

14 minutes ago, ORH_wxman said:

Holiday period is way out there a month-plus from now, but none of the guidance has that period as a torch right now. If anything, it shows up as pretty damned cold on weeklies. 

 

Fell for the bait ... after 20 something years of this pastime, too  

[tamarack]

2 hours ago, dendrite said:

Evenings just feel like forever cooped up inside the house before bedtime. I loathe TV so I don’t have much to do except troll here. I try to do some yardwork and the sun is behind the trees by 130pm. There’s no real imminent winter threats yet so it’s just a colder, darker version of fall. Give me some UVB.

We had bare ground in December in 2 of 9 at Fort Kent, and even with the sun out, we would drive with the headlights on by 3 PM.  In rain, the gloom came even earlier.

[Snowcrazed71]

1 hour ago, Damage In Tolland said:

If the mets are right with our window only being Dec 1-15 before it warms again.. it’s another warm holiday period 

Man where are you getting your info from. There's nothing that suggests a big warm-up around the holiday. Plus, it's a month away. You know as much as anyone else that things are going to change in another week and a half from now. I love the way you say these things to just try to help your reverse psychology theory. As soon as we get a real threat, you're going to be on top of it like white on rice ( just like the rest of us ).