2025-2026 ENSO

[raindancewx]

I've been talking about cold retrogressing to the West with time in 2026. We're finally seeing it show up now. Will be curious to see how the winter finishes up nationally. We're running "only" +6F now for January, big improvement on December since we're already 150% of average for moisture this month. A lot of the NW is running +10-20 above normal winter to date. Its hard to believe some kind of nasty regression to the mean isn't coming with Western Canada still very cold.

As the cold moves toward a more-centered West location and moisture picks up as the La Nina weakens/dies, we should slowly move into a regime of different storm tracks and more powerful systems. I fully expect large areas of the lower 48 to see most of their significant snows in Feb-Mar. Activity by NE Asia earlier in the month supported more western storminess very late month January.

[GaWx]

On 1/12/2026 at 11:32 AM, GaWx said:

How would a potential shift to +AAM late month play into this? Is the +AAM the dog that wags a +PNA and/or phase 8 or do other things wag the AAM? Is the AAM a leader or a follower?

@SnowNiner

 

Look how much this changed in just 2 days of runs:

 

[donsutherland1]

28 minutes ago, GaWx said:

Look how much this changed in just 2 days of runs:

 

I suspect that the recent EWB had an impact. La Niña is still exerting an influence. 

[Maestrobjwa]

1 hour ago, donsutherland1 said:

I suspect that the recent EWB had an impact. La Niña is still exerting an influence. 

Would either of you mind giving an explanation of the AAM and how it relates to what we see in winter?

[snowfan789]

3 hours ago, raindancewx said:

I've been talking about cold retrogressing to the West with time in 2026. We're finally seeing it show up now. Will be curious to see how the winter finishes up nationally. We're running "only" +6F now for January, big improvement on December since we're already 150% of average for moisture this month. A lot of the NW is running +10-20 above normal winter to date. Its hard to believe some kind of nasty regression to the mean isn't coming with Western Canada still very cold.

As the cold moves toward a more-centered West location and moisture picks up as the La Nina weakens/dies, we should slowly move into a regime of different storm tracks and more powerful systems. I fully expect large areas of the lower 48 to see most of their significant snows in Feb-Mar. Activity by NE Asia earlier in the month supported more western storminess very late month January.

Hope you’re right. It has been an historically abnormally warm and nearly snowless stretch for a sizable portion of the West this season so far. While that to some extent is to be expected at times with climate change, unfortunately, the giant leap we’ve very recently seen towards hot/dry is so extreme that it seemingly must revert towards the mean soon.

Also, appreciate the added ~Western perspective in a forum dominated by the eastern approximately 25% of the country. No criticism intended, but what happens in New England, the Great Lakes, and northern middle Atlantic represents a small portion of the U.S. geographically.

[BlizzardWx]

3 hours ago, raindancewx said:

I've been talking about cold retrogressing to the West with time in 2026. We're finally seeing it show up now. Will be curious to see how the winter finishes up nationally. We're running "only" +6F now for January, big improvement on December since we're already 150% of average for moisture this month. A lot of the NW is running +10-20 above normal winter to date. Its hard to believe some kind of nasty regression to the mean isn't coming with Western Canada still very cold.

As the cold moves toward a more-centered West location and moisture picks up as the La Nina weakens/dies, we should slowly move into a regime of different storm tracks and more powerful systems. I fully expect large areas of the lower 48 to see most of their significant snows in Feb-Mar. Activity by NE Asia earlier in the month supported more western storminess very late month January.

I certainly hope so. The short term pattern looks a lot like early December for my area with repeated glancing blows from dry cold fronts. A little bit of a signal for some kind of wintry system around the 25th. 

[brooklynwx99]

who could have possibly seen this coming

[MJO812]

7 minutes ago, brooklynwx99 said:

who could have possibly seen this coming

Happening all winter

[donsutherland1]

7 hours ago, Maestrobjwa said:

Would either of you mind giving an explanation of the AAM and how it relates to what we see in winter?

Angular Atmospheric Momentum (AAM) is a good tool for determining how well coupled the atmosphere is with ENSO. AAM measures how fast the atmosphere is spinning around the Earth, which is mainly a function of the strength and latitude of the westerly winds. 

El Niño is characterized by stronger westerly winds. AAM+ indictates stronger westerly winds.

La Niña is characterized by weaker westerly winds/easterly winds. AAM- indicates weaker westerly winds/more easterly winds.

Despite social media chatter that the atmosphere is not coupled with the ongoing La Niña event, the AAM showed otherwise. That the forecast AAM has also shifted negative shows that claims that La Niña is on its death bed, so to speak, are premature. La Niña is fading in discontinuous fashion and subsurface warming is starting to occur. But La Niña is not collapsing, much less essentially finished. On its current trajectory, neutral-cool conditions could develop toward the end of this month or next month.

[so_whats_happening]

16 hours ago, snowman19 said:

Wrong again, but that’s normal for you. There was just a massive EWB and positive SOI spike and region 3.4 has dropped as low as it’s been for this entire event. Maybe you should stick to predicting 30+ day long MJO phase 8 events 

 

Im not a fan of cherry picking charts. I remember rather well that CDAS 3 years ago during the Nino event was showing SSTs in the moderate to low end strong sector (roughly 1.3-1.5C above average) when almost every other (OISST, ERSST, CRW, etc.) was showing the waters near upper end strong. Now we use it to show La Nina? Come on with that.

Honestly if you are going to show these types of charts in either picture stick to one source.

[so_whats_happening]

13 minutes ago, donsutherland1 said:

Angular Atmospheric Momentum (AAM) is a good tool for determining how well coupled the atmosphere is with ENSO. AAM measures how fast the atmosphere is spinning around the Earth, which is mainly a function of the strength and latitude of the westerly winds. 

El Niño is characterized by stronger westerly winds. AAM+ indictates stronger westerly winds.

La Niña is characterized by weaker westerly winds/easterly winds. AAM- indicates weaker westerly winds/more easterly winds.

Despite social media chatter that the atmosphere is not coupled with the ongoing La Niña event, the AAM showed otherwise. That the forecast AAM has also shifted negative shows that claims that La Niña is on its death bed, so to speak, are premature. La Niña is fading in discontinuous fashion and subsurface warming is starting to occur. But La Niña is not collapsing, much less essentially finished. On its current trajectory, neutral-cool conditions could develop toward the end of this month or next month.

Location is also extremely important for where these anomalies exist.

https://atlas.niu.edu/gwo/

While the tropics are exerting more of a El Nino flair which may very well be enhancing some of these cold dumps horse to mid latitudes have not yet caught up.

[40/70 Benchmark]

10 hours ago, raindancewx said:

I've been talking about cold retrogressing to the West with time in 2026. We're finally seeing it show up now. Will be curious to see how the winter finishes up nationally. We're running "only" +6F now for January, big improvement on December since we're already 150% of average for moisture this month. A lot of the NW is running +10-20 above normal winter to date. Its hard to believe some kind of nasty regression to the mean isn't coming with Western Canada still very cold.

As the cold moves toward a more-centered West location and moisture picks up as the La Nina weakens/dies, we should slowly move into a regime of different storm tracks and more powerful systems. I fully expect large areas of the lower 48 to see most of their significant snows in Feb-Mar. Activity by NE Asia earlier in the month supported more western storminess very late month January.

Yea, I've been on the big-finish train. You have to think it starts up soon...probably when the MJO hits 7.

[40/70 Benchmark]

9 hours ago, GaWx said:

Look how much this changed in just 2 days of runs:

 

But La Nina is dead!!!!

[40/70 Benchmark]

6 hours ago, MJO812 said:

Happening all winter

Except mid January, as was outlined last fall.

[jconsor]

1 hour ago, donsutherland1 said:

Angular Atmospheric Momentum (AAM) is a good tool for determining how well coupled the atmosphere is with ENSO. AAM measures how fast the atmosphere is spinning around the Earth, which is mainly a function of the strength and latitude of the westerly winds. 

El Niño is characterized by stronger westerly winds. AAM+ indictates stronger westerly winds.

La Niña is characterized by weaker westerly winds/easterly winds. AAM- indicates weaker westerly winds/more easterly winds.

Despite social media chatter that the atmosphere is not coupled with the ongoing La Niña event, the AAM showed otherwise. That the forecast AAM has also shifted negative shows that claims that La Niña is on its death bed, so to speak, are premature. La Niña is fading in discontinuous fashion and subsurface warming is starting to occur. But La Niña is not collapsing, much less essentially finished. On its current trajectory, neutral-cool conditions could develop toward the end of this month or next month.

I would say the atmospheric coupling with the La Nina event has been uneven.  The AAM has averaged near neutral since Nov, with a notable spike from late Nov to the first  few days of Dec.

I agree with your last three sentences about La Nina's continued influence in the next month or two. Also, in my experience, the CFS is known to be highly +AAM biased.

[donsutherland1]

16 minutes ago, jconsor said:

I would say the atmospheric coupling with the La Nina event has been uneven.  The AAM has averaged near neutral since Nov, with a notable spike from late Nov to the first  few days of Dec.

I agree with your last three sentences about La Nina's continued influence in the next month or two. Also, in my experience, the CFS is known to be highly +AAM biased.

Yes. It has been uneven. Then again, it hasn’t been a strong La Niña event.