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Just now, PhineasC said:

I believe what I said is we need to check back after Inauguration Day.

But feel free to believe there was a magic anti-COVID shield around the protests and parties that didn't exist at Sturgis and rallies. 

False. You said election day but now I see you’re moving it to Inauguration Day...got it. We’ll check back then, again. 

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1 minute ago, Hoth said:

If this gets bad enough, you'll get a self-imposed shutdown of sorts. We saw that happen last March before the official shutdowns began. People were instinctively avoiding public gatherings, theaters, restaurants etc. We are more used to the thread of COVID at this point, so the threshold for drastically changing behavior may be higher, but if we start losing 2 or 3K people per day, it will start to sink in.

I'm already there.  

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4 minutes ago, Damage In Tolland said:

Why aren’t you in school? No reason to still be remote 

Our District did a phased in opening which started a few weeks back.  My daughter is still at home since she's a senior and the last cohort to go back.  She starts December 7th.  All teachers have been teaching from the classroom since day 1 though.  The workload is back to as if they were in class so she's definitely busy, and learning, which is a plus.  I feel for families with younger kids who have to work.  No idea how that gets accomplished if you have to go to work and schools are remote.  It's a mess. 

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5 minutes ago, Baroclinic Zone said:

Our District did a phased in opening which started a few weeks back.  My daughter is still at home since she's a senior and the last cohort to go back.  She starts December 7th.  All teachers have been teaching from the classroom since day 1 though.  The workload is back to as if they were in class so she's definitely busy, and learning, which is a plus.  I feel for families with younger kids who have to work.  No idea how that gets accomplished if you have to go to work and schools are remote.  It's a mess. 

Ours went back 4 days a week beginning of this month . Home on Wednesday for. sanitizing. The town went red alert last week. The more kids that get it, the better . Get it out of the way . If they stay full remote this ridiculousness will never end.

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1 minute ago, Damage In Tolland said:

Ours went back 4 days a week beginning of this month . Home on Wednesday for. sanitizing. The town went red alert last week. The more kids that get it, the better . Get it out of the way . If they stay full remote this ridiculousness will never end.

You do know infected kids can transmit to their parents or other vulnerable populations, right? More infected kids probably means more sick and dying teachers.

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Just now, Hoth said:

You do know infected kids can transmit to their parents or other vulnerable populations, right? More infected kids probably means more sick and dying teachers.

Nah, beer. 

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21 minutes ago, Hoth said:

If this gets bad enough, you'll get a self-imposed shutdown of sorts. We saw that happen last March before the official shutdowns began. People were instinctively avoiding public gatherings, theaters, restaurants etc. We are more used to the thread of COVID at this point, so the threshold for drastically changing behavior may be higher, but if we start losing 2 or 3K people per day, it will start to sink in.

Good, that’s better than clumsy govt mandates anyway. If people are worried about COVID, they first and foremost can choose to stay home and isolated. 

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3 minutes ago, Damage In Tolland said:

Ours went back 4 days a week beginning of this month . Home on Wednesday for. sanitizing. The town went red alert last week. The more kids that get it, the better . Get it out of the way . If they stay full remote this ridiculousness will never end.

we took a full page ad out in the town paper. 100 families asking for our kids to go back full time.  The teachers we know fully support us. 

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2 minutes ago, Hoth said:

You do know infected kids can transmit to their parents or other vulnerable populations, right? More infected kids probably means more sick and dying teachers.

Kind of interesting how that argument was never, ever raised about flu or other communicable diseases. I understand COVID is not the flu, but it isn’t MERS either. I’m sure students have given the flu to teachers who then became deathly ill or died. Probably happens every year. I think the logic of keeping schools closed is going to take some time to shake.

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The goal of lockdowns needs to remain focused on preventing excess deaths from overwhelmed hospitals. At some point, the public came to believe the purpose of lockdowns should be to “beat” COVID or prevent deaths from it. That was not the original purpose. The messaging on this is hopelessly confused now. 

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10 minutes ago, Damage In Tolland said:

Ours went back 4 days a week beginning of this month . Home on Wednesday for. sanitizing. The town went red alert last week. The more kids that get it, the better . Get it out of the way . If they stay full remote this ridiculousness will never end.

So both are in school 4 days?  We'll be doing just 2.  M-T in school, off W, and remote T-F.

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15 minutes ago, PhineasC said:

Kind of interesting how that argument was never, ever raised about flu or other communicable diseases. I understand COVID is not the flu, but it isn’t MERS either. I’m sure students have given the flu to teachers who then became deathly ill or died. Probably happens every year. I think the logic of keeping schools closed is going to take some time to shake.

We've been told to follow" the science " ....follow "the science"..... follow "the science". I ask when are we ?  When it comes to our schools.  It's been proven for months that schools aren't spreading the virus . Nationally and globally for that matter.  This really angers the heck out of me . My youngest..a 10th grader is due to go back in person tomorrow but I'm betting money they pull the rug out last second just like 5 weeks ago.  She's wayy behind in assignments and struggling lately . And she is /was a strait A student.  Parents aren't going to stand for this much longer ...including me .

And the craziness of it all is the individual Md counties put out their own metrics that needed to be met but lol they were well inside those metrics for like 2 months almost across the board so why didnt hybrid start in September for at least elementary and middle schools . The goal posts constantly moving . 

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17 minutes ago, Hoth said:

You do know infected kids can transmit to their parents or other vulnerable populations, right? More infected kids probably means more sick and dying teachers.

There’s almost no one that thinks kids should be home . Get out and if you’re  gonna get this flu bug.. get it and then move on with normal life 

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4 minutes ago, Damage In Tolland said:

There’s almost no one that thinks kids should be home . Get out and if you’re  gonna get this flu bug.. get it and then move on with normal life 

Too much IPA and Tucker Carlson? 

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9 minutes ago, Damage In Tolland said:

There’s almost no one that thinks kids should be home . Get out and if you’re  gonna get this flu bug.. get it and then move on with normal life 

Yes, I seem to remember Herman Cain advocating something similar. Why don't you lick a few doorknobs down at the local ICU and show us the way. It's just the flu, after all. Get it over with.

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21 minutes ago, Baroclinic Zone said:

So both are in school 4 days?  We'll be doing just 2.  M-T in school, off W, and remote T-F.

That’s the model we are in now.  Our daughter has a variation on that. My wife is back to 5 days a week with the kids and some families are doing remote   

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15 minutes ago, losetoa6 said:

We've been told to follow" the science " ....follow "the science"..... follow "the science". I ask when are we ?  When it comes to our schools.  It's been proven for months that schools aren't spreading the virus . Nationally and globally for that matter.  This really angers the heck out of me . My youngest..a 10th grader is due to go back in person tomorrow but I'm betting money they pull the rug out last second just like 5 weeks ago.  She's wayy behind in assignments and struggling lately . And she is /was a strait A student.  Parents aren't going to stand for this much longer ...including me .

And the craziness of it all is the individual Md counties put out their own metrics that needed to be met but lol they were well inside those metrics for like 2 months almost across the board so why didnt hybrid start in September for at least elementary and middle schools . The goal posts constantly moving . 

Not a popular opinion in some circles, but I think the remote school thing is only tangentially related to COVID. There are other factors at play involving teacher's unions and school boards, as well as state funding questions.'

Definitely annoying to hear people I know without kids opining on how schools need to stay closed indefinitely to "keep us all safe." 

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2 minutes ago, PhineasC said:

Not a popular opinion in some circles, but I think the remote school thing is only tangentially related to COVID. There are other factors at play involving teacher's unions and school boards, as well as state funding questions.'

Definitely annoying to hear people I know without kids opining on how schools need to stay closed indefinitely to "keep us all safe." 

My daughter is under quaritine cause the teacher and student in class tested positive. With that being said I'm not worried about it.

I'm still fine with her going back to school because I know she needs it just like all kids.

Even the kids that are doing distant learning are testing positive. And thats because those kids are not staying home. Even when at home I'm sure surfaces arnt cleaned at much as a school and not wearing a mask indoors to stop spread of virus.    Schools are not source of spread, RI governor agrees with that.

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21 minutes ago, Hoth said:

Yes, I seem to remember Herman Cain advocating something similar. Why don't you lick a few doorknobs down at the local ICU and show us the way. It's just the flu, after all. Get it over with.

Man I see they got to you. Hate to see it 

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1 hour ago, Baroclinic Zone said:

Our District did a phased in opening which started a few weeks back.  My daughter is still at home since she's a senior and the last cohort to go back.  She starts December 7th.  All teachers have been teaching from the classroom since day 1 though.  The workload is back to as if they were in class so she's definitely busy, and learning, which is a plus.  I feel for families with younger kids who have to work.  No idea how that gets accomplished if you have to go to work and schools are remote.  It's a mess. 

My wife works from home full time and I literally spend half the day saying “shh, mom is on a zoom call”. It’s not fair to them because really, they are just being normal 5, 7 and 8 year olds.  Our 5 year old daughter has gotten good at the virtual thing, but she’s still a 5 year old and you can’t just leave her alone to do it.  Honestly, my wife is a superhero for figuring it out when I’m not home.  But these are all the selfish reasons for wanting them back.  What really bothers me is I know at their age, they are not getting the same education and lacking the social interaction they need.  Most Teachers are working hard at it and deserve credit, but it will never be the same and no one will convince me otherwise.  

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1 hour ago, PhineasC said:

I believe what I said is we need to check back after Inauguration Day.

But feel free to believe there was a magic anti-COVID shield around the protests and parties that didn't exist at Sturgis and rallies. 

Pretty sure you said no more COVID coverage on MSM after 11/4. I’m sure someone could dig up those posts. Not worth the effort though. Everyone take care of yourselves and do what you think is best for your situation. Enough with the politicization of every single thing. It’s tiring. 

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For many students, this will be a lost year. This affects the students who were already struggling most greatly. They are now in an even deeper hole. Students who were already ahead and are self-learners are going to widen the gap with their peers. Sounds like a recipe for even greater disparity in outcomes.

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1 minute ago, PhineasC said:

For many students, this will be a lost year. This affects the students who were already struggling most greatly. They are now in an even deeper hole. Students who were already ahead and are self-learners are going to widen the gap with their peers. Sounds like a recipe for even greater disparity in outcomes.

I listen to it happening daily with my kid’s online class sessions. Fortunately he is in the latter category you mentioned.  
Although Franklin County is rural and unpopulated compared to the rest of the state most schools here are full remote.  
We also have almost no Covid. 

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