weatherwiz Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 5 minutes ago, Baroclinic Zone said: September neggy departure all but eliminated. Down to a palty -0.2F now after being -2.6F only 7-8 days ago. That's how you flip the switch to a TORCH! Departures from the past week have been pretty decent: I remember back in August I was saying I think September could be the warmest on record across many sites...obviously that is not panning out...and not even close. I thought the pattern we've seen the past week was going to be more predominant this month but it didn't work out that way...delayed but not denied I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwiz Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, CoastalWx said: And no matter what the temp is, anytime you have +15 or more for highs...:.that is a torch. THIS!!! Although this is why the term torch is kinda stupid...there is no scientific definition to it so it's completely open to interpretation. Person A may think torch only applies to a temperature threshold (say 90+) while person B applies it to a deviation from the average. At the end of the day it should really be applied to a deviation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwiz Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 It's similar to using terms like warm, cool, cold, hot. Would you call 73 in July warm? no would you call 73 in January warm? yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 4 minutes ago, weatherwiz said: THIS!!! Although this is why the term torch is kinda stupid...there is no scientific definition to it so it's completely open to interpretation. Person A may think torch only applies to a temperature threshold (say 90+) while person B applies it to a deviation from the average. At the end of the day it should really be applied to a deviation. It’s all relative. 55 in winter is not hot or sweaty and doesn’t feel like summer wx, but it’s a torch. 82-87 in late September is a torch. Consider yourself lucky you aren’t 300 miles SW this month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 1 minute ago, weatherwiz said: It's similar to using terms like warm, cool, cold, hot. Would you call 73 in July warm? no would you call 73 in January warm? yes A is a every season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 Give me a torch any day in the 2nd half of October. Avg highs are in the 50s at that point. Either that or give me a deep freeze where snow is possible....none of this "near normal" stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.Spin Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 5 minutes ago, weatherwiz said: THIS!!! Although this is why the term torch is kinda stupid...there is no scientific definition to it so it's completely open to interpretation. Person A may think torch only applies to a temperature threshold (say 90+) while person B applies it to a deviation from the average. At the end of the day it should really be applied to a deviation. From what I’ve observed over the years, it seems to be a term that weather weenie types often use for dramatic effect. I think they’ve tried to define it here at times, but you’re absolutely right in that some people use it in a threshold manner, and some use it to describe a degree of deviation. Throw in the spin factor and selective use of whatever climate sites people quote to serve their agenda, and you get a beautifully pointless weenie brew of never ending debate about the term. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamarack Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 16 minutes ago, weatherwiz said: THIS!!! Although this is why the term torch is kinda stupid...there is no scientific definition to it so it's completely open to interpretation. Person A may think torch only applies to a temperature threshold (say 90+) while person B applies it to a deviation from the average. At the end of the day it should really be applied to a deviation. There's some seasonal differences, IMO. 10° AN in July/August is pretty torchy, sniffing mid 90s in some SNE locales. At the other end, I'm not sure +15 in mid January warrants the term, especially in colder climates. Is 34° on January 15 at CAR a torch? (Not that it really matters ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwiz Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 9 minutes ago, J.Spin said: From what I’ve observed over the years, it seems to be a term that weather weenie types often use for dramatic effect. I think they’ve tried to define it here at times, but you’re absolutely right in that some people use it in a threshold manner, and some use it to describe a degree of deviation. Throw in the spin factor and selective use of whatever climate sites people quote to serve their agenda, and you get a beautifully pointless weenie brew of never ending debate about the term. Well said. 5 minutes ago, tamarack said: There's some seasonal differences, IMO. 10° AN in July/August is pretty torchy, sniffing mid 90s in some SNE locales. At the other end, I'm not sure +15 in mid January warrants the term, especially in colder climates. Is 34° on January 15 at CAR a torch? (Not that it really matters ) subsequently why the term is stupid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwiz Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 17 minutes ago, dendrite said: A is a every season. That needs to be a tee-shirt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 9 minutes ago, weatherwiz said: That needs to be a tee-shirt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwiz Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 3 minutes ago, Ginx snewx said: OMG...I want that!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 TORCH!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whineminster Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 Tomorrow looks up in the air in NNE. Likely going to be cloudy, raw, and rainy up here while the WeatherWiz and LL are basking in jorts in 83 degree sun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwiz Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 9 minutes ago, Whineminster said: Tomorrow looks up in the air in NNE. Likely going to be cloudy, raw, and rainy up here while the WeatherWiz and LL are basking in jorts in 83 degree sun. Could be an opportunity for a few strong t'storms to work into southern VT, NW MA...maybe even southern NH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torch Tiger Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 it's dry, maybe a dying shower or light storm tomorrow night but that's all we have Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 Torch is a fun term. It’s not even meant to be for weather weenies. A little hyperbole is ok now and then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.Spin Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 39 minutes ago, CoastalWx said: A little hyperbole is ok now and then. Certainly, spice of life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HIPPYVALLEY Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 40 minutes ago, CoastalWx said: Torch is a fun term. It’s not even meant to be for weather weenies. A little hyperbole is ok now and then. Yup and you are correct that torch temps are all relative to the seasonal climo. I am going to go out on a limb and call for a torch third week of December. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 Just now, HIPPYVALLEY said: Yup and you are correct that torch temps are all relative to the seasonal climo. I am going to go out on a limb and call for a torch third week of December. Torch is a funny word...the problem I have with it these days it is used too generously so it kind of loses its punch. Torch is used for both +20 type departures and mundane +6 departures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 46 minutes ago, CoastalWx said: Torch is a fun term. It’s not even meant to be for weather weenies. A little hyperbole is ok now and then. This summer you’ve definitely aligned more towards DIT... enjoying heat and humidity, trolling and now making a case for hyperbole! What’s happening?! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 1 minute ago, ORH_wxman said: Torch is a funny word...the problem I have with it these days it is used too generously so it kind of loses its punch. Torch is used for both +20 type departures and mundane +6 departures. Yeah part of the game though... 89F at BDL in July was a torch and so is 89F at BDL in September lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typhoon Tip Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 Meanwhile ... all of it is semantic pass-time Earth-movingly important, too - 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwiz Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 I wish I understood MT and AAM better..well all the different torques and applying them and enough to make plots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 12 minutes ago, powderfreak said: This summer you’ve definitely aligned more towards DIT... enjoying heat and humidity, trolling and now making a case for hyperbole! What’s happening?! We are all one here 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwiz Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 WOW... the SPC went from 5% wind and <2% TOR with the 13z outlook to 15% hatched wind and 5% TOR with the 1630z outlook across the MO Valley into IL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typhoon Tip Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 17 hours ago, dendrite said: Just noticed the GFS is only mixing up to H9 on Saturday despite sun and decent SW flow. I know we have some WAA coming in over the top, but my hunch is we mix higher than what it's trying to spit out. I'd bump those MOS numbers at least 5F which would push BDL to 85+. The GFS with dubious boundary layer kinematic handling ....? no f way man - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typhoon Tip Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 3 hours ago, ORH_wxman said: Give me a torch any day in the 2nd half of October. Avg highs are in the 50s at that point. Either that or give me a deep freeze where snow is possible....none of this "near normal" stuff. It would be a win-win scenario if 50s was because we were always averaging 100 + 0, huh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moneypitmike Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 Regardless of definitions of torch and interpretations of it in seasons, one thing is certain: Today is just awesome. 65/50, not a cloud to be seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamarack Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 47 minutes ago, HIPPYVALLEY said: Yup and you are correct that torch temps are all relative to the seasonal climo. I am going to go out on a limb and call for a torch third week of December. A week too early. The Grinch is rarely denied. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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