jburns Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 I know right?! billt reported me too EDIT....I left it up so the other Mods can see it too....I'm hurt Oh my. Well, at least you have your photography. Sorry to lose you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackerel_sky Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 You get these panthers to lose and the lack of snow, it's gonna be like a powder keg up in here tonight! See what I mean! No panthers Super Bowl + almost 3 snowless winters= panties in a wad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jburns Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 Yea biased to certain people! OK here I go. All queen did was to point out that your "hope" that there would be enough evaporative cooling to produce snow was not backed up by the sounding. Freezing at 850 yes. But the temps FROM THERE ALL THE WAY TO THE GROUND are above freezing and THE COLUMN IS BASICALLY SATURATED. You don't get a lot of evaporation in a saturated column. It would take precip rates that are way, way beyond anything shown on any model to pull the 850 cold down enough to allow snow to reach the ground. He didn't say you are wrong, the data says you are wrong. If you can't handle that you have two choices going forward. The first is to just read, learn and wait a while before making technical posts. The second is to decide this isn't for you and leave the forum. Actually there is a third option but others control that if you keep on doing what you are doing. Yeah, I know a little about weather. I don't joke around all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckeyefan1 Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 OK here I go. All queen did was to point out that your "hope" that there would be enough evaporative cooling to produce snow was not backed up by the sounding. Freezing at 850 yes. But the temps FROM THERE ALL THE WAY TO THE GROUND are above freezing and THE COLUMN IS BASICALLY SATURATED. You don't get a lot of evaporation in a saturated column. It would take precip rates that are way, way beyond anything shown on any model to pull the 850 cold down enough to allow snow to reach the ground. He didn't say you are wrong, the data says you are wrong. If you can't handle that you have two choices going forward. The first is to just read, learn and wait a while before making technical posts. The second is to decide this isn't for you and leave the forum. Actually there is a third option but others control that if you keep on doing what you are doing. Yeah, I know a little about weather. I don't joke around all the time. You gave him the answer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rduwx Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 Ok I just want bother anymore! Y'all can take your biased site and shove it up your know what! Since nobody knows anything but a certain few! Y'all don't know as much about weather as you think just think you all do! What? I don't know. Please explain. Thanks in advance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bevo Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 Maybe he meant "Dynamic Cooling? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jburns Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 Maybe he meant "Dynamic Cooling? I thought he meant he was going to saturate your column. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckeyefan1 Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 Maybe he meant "Dynamic Cooling? Could be.....who knows....Dynamic cooling means that the air itself is cooling off without necessarily moving anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckeyefan1 Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 Wes explains it really well It does not really drag down cold air. However, if the precipitation is falling very heavily, two things are happening. One you have very strong upward motion and get adiabatic expansion as you go to lower pressures. As the air expands, less molecules bump into each other and therefore you get cooling. At least I think that's what happens. If you compress air it heats. You can test that by using an air pump. The biggest part of dynamic cooling I think is the expansion due to lifting. I guess you might also have some smaller cooler if you have a storm bomb out and have really rapid pressure falls and height falls. However, wherever you have lifting you usually have mass divergence above it so you are in a sense evacuating air.The other thing that happens if you have precipitation falling heavily and at the higher levels it's still in frozen form so it ends up cooling as it melts (that's not as efficient as evaporation) but it still will provide cooling. As the atmosphere cools from the melting the freezing level lowers and the melting shifts to a new place in the column. The biggest part of dynamic cooling I think is the expansion due to lifting. I guess you might also have some smaller cooler if you have a storm bomb out and have really rapid pressure falls and height falls. Anyway, that's my poor attempt to explain it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold Rain Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 Melting can cool a column, but. I don't think the rates shown on the NAM will do it. Then again, who knows if the thermal profiles on the long range NAM will be accurate. Then again, who really gives a crap about the long range NAM. It certainly isn't worth arguing about. In fact, the NAM is probably laughing at us right now after getting the reaction it wanted....cause that's all it's really good for at that range Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bevo Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 I thought he meant he was going to saturate your column. Could be.....who knows....Dynamic cooling means that the air itself is cooling off without necessarily moving anywhere. My use of the smiley face was not the best way to imply. My post should have read more like: "Maybe he meant "Dynamic Cooling? #sarcasmfont" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckeyefan1 Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 Melting can cool a column, but. I don't think the rates shown on the NAM will do it. Then again, who knows if the thermal profiles on the long range NAM will be accurate. Then again, who really gives a crap about the long range NAM. It certainly isn't worth arguing about. In fact, the NAM is probably laughing at us right now after getting the reaction it wanted....cause that's all it's really good for at that range It won't help when the temp is well above freezing The point is.......take time to learn so that you can add to a discussion. Bevo........lmao!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold Rain Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 It won't help when the temp is well above freezing The point is.......take time to learn so that you can add to a discussion. Bevo........lmao!! Yeah, I'm just playing around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bevo Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Melting can cool a column, but. I don't think the rates shown on the NAM will do it. Then again, who knows if the thermal profiles on the long range NAM will be accurate. Then again, who really gives a crap about the long range NAM. It certainly isn't worth arguing about. In fact, the NAM is probably laughing at us right now after getting the reaction it wanted....cause that's all it's really good for at that range Remember this gem (don't know who originally posted it)? ECMFW - I'm going to own this beer. I know everything about it. How long it took to brew, the type of hops, etc GFS - Ummmm, I think this is beer? NAM - Mine fell over two times Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold Rain Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Remember this gem (don't know who originally posted it)? ECMFW - I'm going to own this beer. I know everything about it. How long it took to brew, the type of hops, etc GFS - Ummmm, I think this is beer? NAM - Mine fell over two times Haha! I forgot about that one. That's awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckeyefan1 Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Yeah, I'm just playing around. I know you are Remember this gem (don't know who originally posted it)? ECMFW - I'm going to own this beer. I know everything about it. How long it took to brew, the type of hops, etc GFS - Ummmm, I think this is beer? NAM - Mine fell over two times Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metalicwx366 Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Every little minor flurry and drizzle event is compared to something big in the past. Models are not that bad anymore. We won't see massive qpf changes 2 days before an event or whatever. Some people need to be more realistic. Good thing about this year vs the other two winters is that there haven't been any March 1960 cut off low comparison or a Carolina Destroyer comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nchighcountrywx Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Wes explains it really well That is exactly what happened January 25 2000 along the US 1 corridor through RDU Not saying that it will happen this Thursday but the ECMWF 12z 500mb for this week is similar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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burgertime Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 If anyone needs some good furniture made and they live around CLT I've got a guy who does great work and is very cheap. Made an awesome king size bed frame for me for $650 almost everywhere else for the same style they were around $1200 or so. He also made an awesome farm table we bought a few months ago for cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Found something for ya Powerstroke, rgrimes, Big Frosty, etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franklin NCwx Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Lol at how lame and pathetic the weather channel is. In other news natural gas should rise today as the gfs ensembles had an absolute poor performance last week. Euro ensembles show the vortex returning to the lakes again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nchighcountrywx Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Lol at how lame and pathetic the weather channel is. In other news natural gas should rise today as the gfs ensembles had an absolute poor performance last week. Euro ensembles show the vortex returning to the lakes again. They are getting their stories from Joe Bastardi's Twitter Feed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nchighcountrywx Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Raysweather.com Picture of the Day Photo for January 13, 2014 Female cardinal after the Arctic Blast on Beech Mtn.Photo by Mikey O'Neal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaffneyPeach Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Wasn't sure where to put this but GSP says:.LONG TERM /THURSDAY THROUGH SUNDAY/...AS OF 215 AM EST MON...THE DEEP SHORTWAVE WILL MOVE OFF THE EASTCOAST THURSDAY MORNING AS WE WILL BRIEFLY BE UNDER HIGH PRESSURECENTERED OVER THE GULF STATES. THIS HIGH WILL BE PUSHED FARTHERSOUTH OVER THE GULF THURSDAY NIGHT AS ANOTHER DEEP SHORTWAVE PINWHEELS DOWN FROM THE UPPER MISS VALLEY INTO FRIDAY. THERE AREDIFFERENCES IN THE MODELS AS HOW THE FORECAST EVOLVES FRIDAY ANDFRIDAY NIGHT. THE GFS...ECMWF AND CANADIAN ALL HAVE SOME MOISTURE INTHE COLD UPPER TROUGH BEHIND THE FALLING THICKNESS VALUES WHICHWOULD BRING SNOW SHOWERS TO NC MTNS LATE FRI AND FRI NIGHT. THECANADIAN HAS THE MOST MOISTURE IN THE COLD AIR WITH VERY LITTLE GULFMOISTURE RIDING AHEAD OF THE TROUGH. THE GFS HAS GULF MOISTURE WHICHGETS CHANNELED FROM THE FLORIDA PANHANDLE TO THE CAROLINA COAST THUSMISSING OUR AREA. THE ECMWF HAS HAD TWO RUNS INCLUDING THE NEWEST00Z MON RUN WHERE GULF MOISTURE IS CHANNELED AHEAD OF THE TROUGHACROSS GA AT 12Z FRI AND OVER OUR AREA FROM 18Z FRI INTO FRIEVENING. THIS ECMWF MODEL SHOWS RAPIDLY FALLING THICKNESS VALUESWITH THE FLUX OF MOISTURE AND WOULD RESULT IN SNOW HEAVY AT TIMESALONG AND SE OF I-85 INTO THE EVENING. TOO EARLY TO JUMP ON THAT ANDTHE ECMWF IS THE ONLY MODEL SHOWING SUCH A SCENARIO. WITH THEECMWF...SNOW WOULD END EAST OF CLT AROUND 12Z SAT. IF THE GFS ANDCANADIAN ARE CLOSE TO BEING RIGHT...BEST PERIOD OF PRECIP WOULD BEFRI AFTERNOON TO AROUND 00Z SAT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isopycnic Posted January 13, 2014 Author Share Posted January 13, 2014 What happened in here this weekend ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaculaWeather Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Pretty much nothing but crap. You missed nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLweather Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 What happened in here this weekend ... Jerry springer came to town and it wasn't about lesbian love affairs or who the baby daddy is... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckeyefan1 Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 What happened in here this weekend ... We missed you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frazdaddy Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 What happened in here this weekend ... The Panthers played really bad and the weather board susploded Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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