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Jan 20th snow event part 2


Thundersnow12

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i'm going to roll with 4-8" for the area.

possibly locally higher amounts where ever the main FGEN bands sets up the longest and If LES ends up a bigger player.

Yeah sounds good. The whole Chicago area has looked like ground zero for best snow accumulations for model run after model run of all different types.

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I am still liking 3-5" here and 5-7" in Chicago with locally higher amounts in Chicago. If the lake enhancement can be realized there someone might run into double digits.

Sounds like a good call! Local tv met's have been mentioning lake effect for the northshore around here. NAM developed a meso low over the western shore and drifted it inland a bit.

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Models are saying 0.3" of liquid for MSN generally, I sure wish the HRRR was up though to consult that. Good vertical motion throughout the whole column during this, bullseye around 600 hPa, coinciding with -10 to -20 °C temperatures. It's gonna be high ratio powder, ski resort quality. 0.3" could spit out 6" or more, especially since the winds will be light. And if moisture over performs a bit, which it has been this winter, then we could get even more.

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I EXPECT THIS ISENTROPIC ASCENT TO INCREASE ACROSS THE AREA EARLY

THIS MORNING. THIS SHOULD LEAD TO A FAIRLY QUICK MOISTENING OF THE

COLUMN AND ALLOW SNOW TO BEGIN AT KRFD BETWEEN 13 AND 15 UTC AND IN

THE CHICAGO METRO AREA BETWEEN 15 AND 17 UTC. A STRONG BAND OF

FRONTOGENESIS LOOKS TO SET UP DURING THE AFTERNOON ACROSS THE AREA.

THE ASSOCIATED AGEOSTROPHIC CIRCULATION WILL LIKELY LEAD A BAND OF

HEAVY SNOW WITH 1+ INCH PER HOUR RATES. WHAT MAKES THIS FORECAST THE

MOST DIFFICULT IS THAT THE HEAVY SNOW WILL LIKELY FALL WITHIN A

NARROW BAND OF ONLY 40 TO PERHAPS 60 MILES WIDE. I AM CONVINCED THAT

SOME AREAS WILL GET 6 TO 8 INCHES OF SNOW...HOWEVER NOT EVERYONE

WILL SEE AMOUNTS THIS HIGH. THEREFORE...PINNING DOWN THE EXACT AREAS

THAT WILL APPROACH WARNING CRITERIA IS VERY DIFFICULT. ON TOP OF

THIS...THERE IS STILL A GOOD AMOUNT OF UNCERTAINTY ON WHERE EXACTLY

THIS HEAVIER SNOW BAND WILL BE IN MY AREA. IN FACT...SOME OF THE

LATEST GUIDANCE HAS TRENDED A BIT FARTHER SOUTH...FAVORING THE I-80

CORRIDOR.

IN SPITE OF THE UNCERTAINTIES OF THIS THE EXACT PLACEMENT OF THIS

BAND...I WILL MAINTAIN THE WARNING AND EXPAND THE ADVISORY A COUNTY

FARTHER SOUTH AS THESE AREAS LOOK TO RECEIVE 2 TO 5 INCHES. IT LOOKS

LIKE A CLOSE CALL FOR KENDAL AND WILL COUNTIES IN ILLINOIS AND LAKE

AND PORTER COUNTY INDIANA. THESE COUNTIES MAY NEED TO BE UPGRADED TO

A WARNING LATER THIS MORNING. I JUST DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH CONFIDENCE

TO UPGRADE THEM TO A WARNING AT THIS TIME NOT KNOWING EXACTLY WHERE

THIS BAND WILL SET UP.

OVERALL...THE HEAVIEST SNOW SHOULD FALL BETWEEN ABOUT 1 PM AND 6 PM

THIS AFTERNOON. THE FORCING SHOULD THEN QUICKLY WEAKEN THROUGH THE

EVENING AS MID LEVEL SHORT WAVE PUSHES EAST OF THE AREA.

HOWEVER...IT APPEARS THAT SOME LAKE EFFECT SNOW SHOWERS WILL

CONTINUE FOR PORTIONS OF NORTHEASTERN ILLINOIS THROUGH MUCH OF THE

NIGHT TONIGHT AS THE BOUNDARY LAYER FLOW REMAINS NORTHEASTERLY OFF

THE LAKE. THE OVERALL SETUP FOR LAKE EFFECT IS FAIR AT BEST...WITH

INVERSION HEIGHTS RATHER LOW...UP TO ONLY 4,000 AGL. IN SPITE OF

THIS...THE COLD TEMPERATURES AND WEAK SURFACE FLOW SETTING UP ACROSS

THE NORTHERN 2/3RDS OF THE LAKE...MAY ALLOW A MESO LOW DEVELOP JUST

OFFSHORE OF SOUTHEASTERN WI. IF THIS DOES DEVELOP LIKE SOME OF THE

MESOSCALE MODELS SUGGEST...THAN THERE COULD BE A BAND OF LAKE EFFECT

SNOW THAT MOVES ACROSS THE CHICAGO AREA TONIGHT. THIS COULD DROP

ANOTHER INCH OF SNOW ACROSS SOME LOCAL AREAS OF COOK AND LAKE COUNTY

ILLINOIS INTO SATURDAY MORNING.

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Definitely concerning with temps as cold as they already are this morning. Could limit the freezing rain potential across Eastern Indiana and Central Ohio. Definitely have the feeling that this will be one of the few cases where the WAA ends up not being as much of a factor as the NAM had been showing. Baroclinic zone definitely nudged Southward as well.

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Jan 20th and still no Advisory/Warning for Detroit..wow..

I think one of our early Dec snowfalls had an advisory? Dont exactly remember. Its all about the issuing forecaster. DTX is always conservative like that, and imo its stupid not issuing one esp for consistency purposes with GRR. Right now they are going with advisory for Monroe (3-5) and no advisory for Detroit with "conservative" (their words) forecast of 2-4". If NAM/EURO are right, you can bank on them upgrading Detroit to an advisory.

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Still riding my 5" call here and if anything it's looking a little low but I'll ride it into the ground. Ratios are looking much better lately and should hit 20:1 over northern Illinois...yes i understand the mid levels still warm a little too much for best growth but i really like the amount of lift that does exist in the zone, so 20:1+ in areas that get under the best fgen forcing...which looks like it cold be the heart of the metro area during rush hour.

In more general terms, I like Chicagostorm's call areawide, I think 4-6" amounts are the norm, we'll see some 2-3" screw holes and a 10" jackpot zone.

Good luck everyone.

EDIT: Based on current radar/700mb/850 trends...everything looks on track for Chicagoland and i'm seeing some decent evidence of lake enhancement on the tail end.

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Still riding my 5" call here and if anything it's looking a little low but I'll ride it into the ground. Ratios are looking much better lately and should hit 20:1 over northern Illinois...yes i understand the mid levels still warm a little too much for best growth but i really like the amount of lift that does exist in the zone, so 20:1+ in areas that get under the best fgen forcing...which looks like it cold be the heart of the metro area during rush hour.

In more general terms, I like Chicagostorm's call areawide, I think 4-6" amounts are the norm, we'll see some 2-3" screw holes and a 10" jackpot zone.

Good luck everyone.

EDIT: Based on current radar/700mb/850 trends...everything looks on track for Chicagoland and i'm seeing some decent evidence of lake enhancement on the tail end.

any thoughts on a start time ? Thinking 10-11am?

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