October Comes Early: Late September Multi-Hazard Hybrid Storm

[Great Snow 1717]

24 minutes ago, HIPPYVALLEY said:

If it was winter, it would’ve cut 300mi west or have gone out to sea. 

leaving methuen with rain or a few flurries...

[dendrite]

1 hour ago, ineedsnow said:

 didn't stand in it but I did see a lady pick some up.. there was a ton of it

Get me some washed up kelp

[Great Snow 1717]

10 hours ago, vortex95 said:

One issue is the all storms have the same cookie-cutter hype formula in the eyes of TV stations.  Sure, not all OCMs follow that or want to do that, but many are forced to.

If one wanted to scale things properly and have something unique to say, they should have said, "such a storm fcst is quite unusual for September", but that takes more than generic knowledge of wx, one needs to know local wx history as well.  This is of value b/c it puts things in proper context and perspective, which sadly is sorely lacking these days in media.

Not all Nor'easters are alike, but they are treated as such for max hype and ratings.

Heaven help us when the next HU takes aim at New England.   Mark my words, they will make ZERO difference between the 1938 HU and a MEH HU like Belle in 1976.  "Look, the track is *similar* the 1938 HU!"  O-kay, but all big HU hits in New England have similar tracks!  That doesn't say anything really to the public as to total sensible wx impact  It's like after Sandy, every E Coast TC threat was "track similar to Sandy" which in that case was nonsense.  Sandy 's track was exceptional.   But never let a recent big event go unused for hype for "the next one!" 
 

100% correct!

 

[Brewbeer]

4 hours ago, Damage In Tolland said:

I report exact data rainfall and temps from a scientific wx station. . What kind of station do you have ? You seem very old fashioned and behind the times, so I’m guessing an old mercury thermometer mounted outside the kitchen window all rusted out. 

old fashioned and behind the times?  lol !  I might me a few years older than you, but I'm fairly certain based on what you've posted on these forums over the years that you are way more "old fashioned" and way more "behind the times" 

my thermo is one of those alcohol filled jobbers.  Mercury is extremely toxic to anything alive and leaving a mercury filled thermometer exposed in the environment is a bad idea

I don't have a weather station yet, but would like to get one.   If I get one, I will site the sensors where they they belong; I sure won't mount the temp sensor next to the grill on my deck like yours.   Torch !

[CCHurricane]

Nauset Beach on Saturday afternoon. 

[ma blizzard]

4.97" 

[Great Snow 1717]

47 minutes ago, Brewbeer said:

old fashioned and behind the times?  lol !  I might me a few years older than you, but I'm fairly certain based on what you've posted on these forums over the years that you are way more "old fashioned" and way more "behind the times" 

my thermo is one of those alcohol filled jobbers.  Mercury is extremely toxic to anything alive and leaving a mercury filled thermometer exposed in the environment is a bad idea

I don't have a weather station yet, but would like to get one.   If I get one, I will site the sensors where they they belong; I sure won't mount the temp sensor next to the grill on my deck like yours.   Torch !

Perhaps that is why he enjoyed a September torch??

[Typhoon Tip]

the problem with orchestrating life behaviors around traditional points of views and perspectives/belief systems is when objective evidence, and math, prove that the old traditional methods are harmful - yet, they remain unwavering.

 

[Baroclinic Zone]

Off and on drizzle all AM

[tamarack]

Finished this event with 1.75", fortunately about 3 times more than I expected.  Month up to 3.06" (average is 3.70"), almost enough to get Sandy River over the 25th percentile.

Colors here are at/near peak, with lots of red maples wonderfully bright.  Birches and sugar maples approaching peak, white ash well past, about 75% leaf drop around here on that species. 
Red oaks:  Autumn?  What's that?

[Layman]

31 minutes ago, tamarack said:

Finished this event with 1.75", fortunately about 3 times more than I expected.  Month up to 3.06" (average is 3.70"), almost enough to get Sandy River over the 25th percentile.

Colors here are at/near peak, with lots of red maples wonderfully bright.  Birches and sugar maples approaching peak, white ash well past, about 75% leaf drop around here on that species. 
Red oaks:  Autumn?  What's that?

Is there a specific reason why the swamp maples always seem to turn early and be so vibrant?  My simple guess is something to do with the moisture in their environment, but I was curious if there's some solid known reason.  Or, am I just imagining they turn early to begin with 

[tamarack]

7 minutes ago, Layman said:

Is there a specific reason why the swamp maples always seem to turn early and be so vibrant?  My simple guess is something to do with the moisture in their environment, but I was curious if there's some solid known reason.  Or, am I just imagining they turn early to begin with 

"Swamp maples" are almost always red maples (Acer rubrum) on a wet site.  The wetness lowers fertility and keeps the roots somewhat cooler than on well drained sites, probably causing that early turning (as you guessed).  The color is common for most red maples (excellent this year), though there's a variety of sorts that turns yellow (also good).

[Layman]

11 minutes ago, tamarack said:

"Swamp maples" are almost always red maples (Acer rubrum) on a wet site.  The wetness lowers fertility and keeps the roots somewhat cooler than on well drained sites, probably causing that early turning (as you guessed).  The color is common for most red maples (excellent this year), though there's a variety of sorts that turns yellow (also good).

Thanks for the details - much appreciated!  We drove past a patch today in Portsmouth that were so bright and vibrant.  Really pretty this year.

[CT Valley Snowman]

1 hour ago, tamarack said:

Finished this event with 1.75", fortunately about 3 times more than I expected.  Month up to 3.06" (average is 3.70"), almost enough to get Sandy River over the 25th percentile.

Colors here are at/near peak, with lots of red maples wonderfully bright.  Birches and sugar maples approaching peak, white ash well past, about 75% leaf drop around here on that species. 
Red oaks:  Autumn?  What's that?

Peak seems a solid week early for you?  Perhaps drought is playing a role?  

[powderfreak]

3 hours ago, tamarack said:

Finished this event with 1.75", fortunately about 3 times more than I expected.  Month up to 3.06" (average is 3.70"), almost enough to get Sandy River over the 25th percentile.

Colors here are at/near peak, with lots of red maples wonderfully bright.  Birches and sugar maples approaching peak, white ash well past, about 75% leaf drop around here on that species. 
Red oaks:  Autumn?  What's that?

The reds this year are insane.

[SJonesWX]

20 minutes ago, powderfreak said:

The reds this year are insane.

same down here 

[vortex95]

13 hours ago, CoastalWx said:

It was highly anomalous for this time of year, and with weekends busy with activities, I don’t have an issue with it being a top story. 
 

I will say I was a little surprised at the lack of damage and power outages with winds near 50kts. Then again Mother Nature has done some good tree trimming around here since 2010 or so. 

Did not have much "cleaning" of the trees after Gloria in 1985.  Bob did some in 1991, but only in RI/sern MA really.  The only real big tree cleanings in the 90s and massive power outages was the early Dec 1996 1-2 punch (only time I have seen two discrete strong nor'easter back-to-back in 2 calendar days here!) and then the ice storm in Jan 1998.  Then nothing that big until the Dec 2008 ice storm and then we really got some "house cleaning" events since w/ a cluster into the mid 2010s.  @CoastalWxcan't stop talking about the GHG tree damage from the Bliz of 13!

But a true widespread cleaning is still lacking overall. Need another Gloria or higher for that.  Need to tax/pressure the trees inland w/ FQT G60kt and higher for several hours w/ leaves on the trees and an unfrozen ground.  @ineedsnow be like "BRING IT ON!"

[vortex95]

13 hours ago, CoastalWx said:

Ha that’s pretty cool. Haven’t seen sand drifts like that. 

Recall that time, I think in 2018, big rains on Cape Cod, and the dunes were eroded from rainwater flowing into the ocean!  You thought that was funny.

[vortex95]

So highest I can find is 8.73" at Blue Hill.  Any higher reports that did not make it into the PNS?

The pcpn gradients are all over the place.  N Shore to S Shore in MA?  Ern CC to wrn  CC and ORH Co?  Seems like frictional convergence played a role as coastal location were low (Rockport 1.20" and Scituate 2.91")  and increased not that far inland.

Given the entire event was banded pcpn spiraling largely E to W, this makes sense.

Imagine the anguish some would be having here from royal screw zones if this was snow and seeing epic amounts not far away.

And for once, the max was within 5 mi of Weymouth!
 

[DirtySnowDen]

I’ll eat my words.

[rimetree]

2.92" total for the last 4 days with some drizzle this evening. Nice event to welcome fall.

[CT Valley Snowman]

1 hour ago, vortex95 said:

So highest I can find is 8.73" at Blue Hill.  Any higher reports that did not make it into the PNS?

The pcpn gradients are all over the place.  N Shore to S Shore in MA?  Ern CC to wrn  CC and ORH Co?  Seems like frictional convergence played a role as coastal location were low (Rockport 1.20" and Scituate 2.91")  and increased not that far inland.

Given the entire event was banded pcpn spiraling largely E to W, this makes sense.

Imagine the anguish some would be having here from royal screw zones if this was snow and seeing epic amounts not far away.

And for once, the max was within 5 mi of Weymouth!
 

Man I didn't realize the lower/outer Cape got pretty screwed rainfall wise.