July 2025 Discussion-OBS - seasonable summer variability

[LibertyBell]

2 minutes ago, bluewave said:

It’s sounds like you would really enjoy living is a desert environment. If you can deal with the heat, it’s actually a very beautiful ecosystem. I tend to enjoy cooler climates and was fine with all the cooler summers that I used to get growing up back in Long Beach. 
 

 

I like snow in the winter but a dry summer.  There are multiple benefits to a dry summer, including less need to do weeding and not having to deal with mosquitoes and other bugs and of course mold allergies.  I noticed most of the weeds I didn't get to have shriveled and dried up this month.  

[LibertyBell]

4 hours ago, LongBeachSurfFreak said:

I’m trying to move on. But it annoys the crap out of me when tv Mets report the high temp for the region using the park. 

Oh it's even worse than that, they use Central Park temperatures to pat themselves on their verification scores.  It happened on WABC when Central Park hit 99 but not 100, they said *see we told you New York City would not hit triple digits*  They weren't able to explain why all the airports did though....

 

[LibertyBell]

4 hours ago, forkyfork said:

put a station here and it would be warmer than ewr

Wasn't there one near Linden (KLDJ) that always runs hotter than KEWR?

 

[Stormlover74]

2 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

Wasn't there one near Linden (KLDJ) that always runs hotter than KEWR?

 

No Linden is 91 right now while ewr is 96

[LibertyBell]

7 hours ago, gravitylover said:

I think that growing up in Oceanside the immediate south shore summer dryness badly skewed my perception of summer weather in the northeast. My memories are of pleasant, mostly sunny days where you just went and did stuff outside all the time. My time was almost entirely spent south of Merrick Rd and mostly more than a mile S of that and daily watering was definitely a thing, you could easily tell who didn't (like me ) 

Ha! My garden is having a pretty good mushroom year too. It's a sign of healthy soil so I'm good with it. Thankfully our dog isn't a "taster" and pretty much stays away from them and the slime molds.

Yes this is the perfect weather, I really don't know anyone who actually wants a rainy summer unless they make money off of growing vegetables.

 

[LibertyBell]

7 hours ago, SACRUS said:

 

 

Records:

Highs: 

EWR: 104 (1993)
NYC: 106 (1936)
LGA: 98 (1993)
JFK: 101 (1993)
New Brnswck: 105 (1936)

Lows: 

EWR: 56 (1963)
NYC: 54 (1963)
NYC: 57 (1963)
JFK: 55 (1963)
New Brnswck: 46 (1923)

Historical:

1860 - A hot blast of air in the middle of a sweltering summer pushed the mercury up to 115 degrees at Fort Scott and Lawrence, KS. (David Ludlum)

1876: The minimum temperature of 80° or above on the 9th and 10th were the warmest two consecutive nights ever in Washington, DC.(Ref. Washington Weather Records - KDCA)

1882 - Ice formed on the streets of Cheyenne, WY, during a rare summer freeze. (David Ludlum)

1936 - The temperature hit an all-time record high of 106 degrees at the Central Park Observatory in New York City, a record which lasted until LaGuardia Airport hit 107 degrees on July 3rd in 1966. (The Weather Channel)

1938: A deadly, estimated F4 tornado moved east-southeast across the eastern edge of Andover, SD to north of Bristol, SD. 17 buildings were destroyed at Andover, and at least one home was completely swept away. An elderly person was killed at the western edge of Andover and a couple died in a home at the southern edge of town. About two hours later, another estimated F4 tornado moved east-northeast from two miles northeast of White, South Dakota in Brookings County to Hendricks, MN. (Ref. Wilson Wx. History)

1968 - Columbus, MS received 15.68 inches of rain in 24 hours to establish a record for the state. (The Weather Channel)

 

1979: Hurricane Bob was born in the Gulf of Mexico, becoming the first Atlantic Hurricane to be given a male name.

1982: Wind shear caused the crash of Pam Am flight 759 after takeoff from New Orleans International Airport in Louisiana. 145 people on the plane and 8 people on the ground were killed. (Ref. Wilson Wx. History)

1987 - Thunderstorms produced severe weather in Michigan. A tornado near Munising, MI, destroyed part of a commercial dog kennel, and one of the missing dogs was later found unharmed in a tree top half a mile away. (The National Weather Summary) (Storm Data)

1988 - Twenty-three cities in the eastern U.S. reported record high temperatures for the date. Alpena, MI, and Buffalo, NY, suffered through their sixth straight day of record heat. The percentage of total area in the country in the grips of severe to extreme drought reached 43 percent, the fourth highest total of record. The record of 61 percent occurred during the summer of 1934. (The National Weather Summary)

1989 - Morning thunderstorms produced very heavy rain in southern Lower Michigan and northern Indiana. Up to 5.6 inches of rain was reported in Berrien County, MI. Sioux Falls SD reported a record high of 108 degrees. (The National Weather Summary) (Storm Data)

1992: Severe thunderstorms produced a swath of very large and damaging hail and damaging winds. Golf ball-size hail and 60 mph winds were reported on the west side of Decatur, IL with numerous roofs and automobiles damaged by the hail. Hail grew to nearly the size of baseballs by the time the storms reached the Charleston/Mattoon areas. Total damage from the storms was estimated around $5 million dollars.  (Ref. Wilson Wx. History)

1993: One of the strongest and most long-lived wind events of recorded history in the Midwest pounded portions of Nebraska and Iowa. The wind event, called a Derecho, actually started near Goodland, KS and raced across southern Nebraska and into Iowa traveling at 60 mph. In the Omaha metro area, tree and property damage was heavy as 70 to 100 mph winds caused $7 million dollars in damage. Also in Nebraska, power line damage alone totaled $30 million dollars and total property damage was estimated near $100 million dollars. This wind storm even spawned a tornado in the city of Lincoln, NE causing damage to the north end of town. As the derecho moved into southwest Iowa, 13 high-tension power line poles were downed on the east side of Council Bluffs. Winds continued in the 85 mph range as far as east as Fremont County, Iowa before finally subsiding in the central part of the Hawkeye State. 11 inches of rain fell overnight in Scranton, IA. Much of the downtown of Davenport, IA was under water as the Great Flood of 1993 raged on.

1993" record daily high temperatures were set at: Newark, NJ: 104°, NYC-Kennedy Airport, NY: 101°, Greensboro, NC: 101°, Atlantic City, NY: 100°, Wallops Island, VA: 100°, Dulles Airport, VA: 99°, NYC-LaGuardia, NY: 98°, Concord, NH: 95° and Islip, NY: 93°. (Ref. Wilson Wx. History)

2003: A new July maximum temperature record was set as Anchorage, AK hit 84°. (Ref. Wilson Wx. History)

Long Live 1993 I remember this day and the following day (Friday and Saturday) like it was yesterday!

Highs: 

EWR: 104 (1993)
NYC: 106 (1936)
LGA: 98 (1993)
JFK: 101 (1993)
New Brnswck: 105 (1936)

I see LGA underreported temperatures back then-- its good to see JFK beat them and so did NYC at 101 but not listed because the historic 1936 heatwave peaked on the same day!!

1993" record daily high temperatures were set at: Newark, NJ: 104°, NYC-Kennedy Airport, NY: 101°, Greensboro, NC: 101°, Atlantic City, NY: 100°, Wallops Island, VA: 100°, Dulles Airport, VA: 99°, NYC-LaGuardia, NY: 98°, Concord, NH: 95° and Islip, NY: 93°. (Ref. Wilson Wx. History)

[bluewave]

4 minutes ago, Stormlover74 said:

No Linden is 91 right now while ewr is 96

Harrison and Newark are both in the westerly downslope zone today.

Harrison

NJ

2025-07-09 15:16

APRSWXNET-CWOP

94

 

[LibertyBell]

8 hours ago, jm1220 said:

Thankfully the Rockaways to Long Beach did get maybe a half inch from the storms that grazed the barrier islands, but seen it happen many times. Can be boring as hell for months behind the seabreeze in the marine layer. 

half an inch is all I want or need, it's a lot better than highly destructive severe weather and flooding which causes so much damage and kills people.

I'm not sure if there was much of a seabreeze, it sat in the mid 90s most of the afternoon lol.

[LibertyBell]

1 minute ago, bluewave said:

Harrison and Newark are both in the westerly downslope zone today.

Harrison

NJ

2025-07-09 15:16

APRSWXNET-CWOP

94

 

why arent we? this area does well on a westerly wind

[LibertyBell]

10 minutes ago, Stormlover74 said:

No Linden is 91 right now while ewr is 96

They must have run hot a few years ago when they were always the hottest in the local area, maybe they fixed that issue.

[nycwinter]

does not feel as bad compared to last few days dewpoint has come down in to the mid 60's

[bluewave]

12 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

Yes this is the perfect weather, I really don't know anyone who actually wants a rainy summer unless they make money off of growing vegetables.

 

The summer of 1996 was actually one of my favorites. All the cooler rainy days kept the beaches quiet. Since even a cool summer is plenty warm for the beach and swimming. Plus it came after the best winter I ever experienced. Gone are the days when nearly the whole area gets under 10 days a year reaching 90°. 
 

Data for January 1, 1996 through December 31, 1996 days reaching 90°
Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending.

NJ	CANOE BROOK	COOP	13
NJ	PLAINFIELD	COOP	11
NJ	TETERBORO AIRPORT	WBAN	10
NJ	CRANFORD	COOP	9
NJ	NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP	WBAN	9
NJ	HARRISON	COOP	8
CT	STAMFORD 5 N	COOP	8
NY	LAGUARDIA AIRPORT	WBAN	6
NY	MINEOLA	COOP	6
NY	NEW YORK AVE V BROOKLYN	COOP	5
NJ	ESSEX FELLS SERVICE BLDG	COOP	5
NY	DOBBS FERRY-ARDSLEY	COOP	5
NY	WESTCHESTER CO AP	WBAN	5
NY	SETAUKET STRONG	COOP	5
NJ	JERSEY CITY	COOP	4
NJ	LITTLE FALLS	COOP	4
NJ	WANAQUE RAYMOND DAM	COOP	4
NY	WEST POINT	COOP	4
NY	OCEANSIDE	COOP	4
NY	JFK INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT	WBAN	4
CT	MOUNT CARMEL	COOP	4
CT	NORWICH PUBLIC UTILITY PLANT	COOP	4
NY	PORT JERVIS	COOP	3
NY	NY CITY CENTRAL PARK	WBAN	3
NJ	WAYNE	COOP	3
NY	SUFFERN	COOP	3
NY	WEST NYACK	COOP	3
NY	UPTON COOP - NWSFO NEW YORK	COOP	3
NJ	CHARLOTTEBURG RESERVOIR	COOP	2
NY	MIDDLETOWN 2 NW	COOP	2
NY	WANTAGH CEDAR CREEK	COOP	2
CT	DANBURY	COOP	2
NY	YORKTOWN HEIGHTS 1W	COOP	2
NY	SEA CLIFF	COOP	2
CT	MIDDLETOWN 4 W	COOP	2
CT	COCKAPONSET RANGER STA	COOP	2
NY	PATCHOGUE 2 N	COOP	2
NY	ISLIP-LI MACARTHUR AP	WBAN	2
NY	RIVERHEAD RESEARCH FARM	COOP	2
NY	WALDEN 1 ESE	COOP	1
CT	IGOR I SIKORSKY MEMORIAL AIRPORT	WBAN	1
NY	BRIDGEHAMPTON	COOP	1

[SACRUS]

S/W areas looking like prime target / focus

 

[psv88]

Was 89 earlier, down to 84 as some light showers moved through. 

[Sundog]

26 minutes ago, Stormlover74 said:

No Linden is 91 right now while ewr is 96

96 sounds like a lot until you see Ambient weather stations at 95 degrees on Staten Island and several others at 95 or 96 all around the airport, even in much quieter neighborhoods. 

[Brian5671]

NAMS coming in wet for some areas tomorrow-likely a continuation of what we've seen the haves  and have nots

[LongBeachSurfFreak]

43 minutes ago, Brian5671 said:

NAMS coming in wet for some areas tomorrow-likely a continuation of what we've seen the haves  and have nots

Sea breeze looks minimal tomorrow. Should allow the coast to rain. Sorry liberty, weeds, mosquitoes and allergies are coming. 

[dmillz25]

Late high of 90 at the Park

[donsutherland1]

Today was another very warm day. Highs included:

Bridgeport: 88°
Islip: 88°
New York City-Central Park: 90°
New York City-JFK Airport: 88°
New York City-LaGuardia Airport: 92°
Newark: 97°

Warm weather will continue through the weekend with temperatures reaching mainly the lower and middle 80s through the weekend. Showers and thundershowers are possible through tomorrow.

No widespread and sustained excessive heat appears likely through mid-July.

The ENSO Region 1+2 anomaly was +0.4°C and the Region 3.4 anomaly was 0.0°C for the week centered around July 2. For the past six weeks, the ENSO Region 1+2 anomaly has averaged +0.58°C and the ENSO Region 3.4 anomaly has averaged +0.03°C. Neutral ENSO conditions will likely continue through the summer.

The SOI was +2.65 today. 

The preliminary Arctic Oscillation (AO) was +1.289 today. 

Based on sensitivity analysis applied to the latest guidance, there is an implied 68% probability that New York City will have a warmer than normal July (1991-2020 normal). July will likely finish with a mean temperature near 78.8° (1.3° above normal). 

 

[LibertyBell]

2 hours ago, bluewave said:

The summer of 1996 was actually one of my favorites. All the cooler rainy days kept the beaches quiet. Since even a cool summer is plenty warm for the beach and swimming. Plus it came after the best winter I ever experienced. Gone are the days when nearly the whole area gets under 10 days a year reaching 90°. 
 

Data for January 1, 1996 through December 31, 1996 days reaching 90°
Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending.

NJ	CANOE BROOK	COOP	13
NJ	PLAINFIELD	COOP	11
NJ	TETERBORO AIRPORT	WBAN	10
NJ	CRANFORD	COOP	9
NJ	NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP	WBAN	9
NJ	HARRISON	COOP	8
CT	STAMFORD 5 N	COOP	8
NY	LAGUARDIA AIRPORT	WBAN	6
NY	MINEOLA	COOP	6
NY	NEW YORK AVE V BROOKLYN	COOP	5
NJ	ESSEX FELLS SERVICE BLDG	COOP	5
NY	DOBBS FERRY-ARDSLEY	COOP	5
NY	WESTCHESTER CO AP	WBAN	5
NY	SETAUKET STRONG	COOP	5
NJ	JERSEY CITY	COOP	4
NJ	LITTLE FALLS	COOP	4
NJ	WANAQUE RAYMOND DAM	COOP	4
NY	WEST POINT	COOP	4
NY	OCEANSIDE	COOP	4
NY	JFK INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT	WBAN	4
CT	MOUNT CARMEL	COOP	4
CT	NORWICH PUBLIC UTILITY PLANT	COOP	4
NY	PORT JERVIS	COOP	3
NY	NY CITY CENTRAL PARK	WBAN	3
NJ	WAYNE	COOP	3
NY	SUFFERN	COOP	3
NY	WEST NYACK	COOP	3
NY	UPTON COOP - NWSFO NEW YORK	COOP	3
NJ	CHARLOTTEBURG RESERVOIR	COOP	2
NY	MIDDLETOWN 2 NW	COOP	2
NY	WANTAGH CEDAR CREEK	COOP	2
CT	DANBURY	COOP	2
NY	YORKTOWN HEIGHTS 1W	COOP	2
NY	SEA CLIFF	COOP	2
CT	MIDDLETOWN 4 W	COOP	2
CT	COCKAPONSET RANGER STA	COOP	2
NY	PATCHOGUE 2 N	COOP	2
NY	ISLIP-LI MACARTHUR AP	WBAN	2
NY	RIVERHEAD RESEARCH FARM	COOP	2
NY	WALDEN 1 ESE	COOP	1
CT	IGOR I SIKORSKY MEMORIAL AIRPORT	WBAN	1
NY	BRIDGEHAMPTON	COOP	1

Omg I passed out that summer from the humidity.  There were two very hot days in May and then one on the last day of August the only times it reached 90.

But the day I passed out was not hot, but very humid.  My nightmare kind of a day.  Overcast all day with a temperature of 81 degrees and a relative humidity of 100% (81 DP).  Do you remember this day Chris, I think it was in July? I was commuting back from college and as soon as I got home I got very lightheaded couldn't hear a sound saw all white in front of my eyes and everything around me was in slow motion.  Luckily I was almost home and was able to stumble inside and pass out on my floor.

 

[LibertyBell]

1 hour ago, donsutherland1 said:

Today was another very warm day. Highs included:

Bridgeport: 88°
Islip: 88°
New York City-Central Park: 90°
New York City-JFK Airport: 88°
New York City-LaGuardia Airport: 92°
Newark: 97°

Warm weather will continue through the weekend with temperatures reaching mainly the lower and middle 80s through the weekend. Showers and thundershowers are possible through tomorrow.

No widespread and sustained excessive heat appears likely through mid-July.

The ENSO Region 1+2 anomaly was +0.4°C and the Region 3.4 anomaly was 0.0°C for the week centered around July 2. For the past six weeks, the ENSO Region 1+2 anomaly has averaged +0.58°C and the ENSO Region 3.4 anomaly has averaged +0.03°C. Neutral ENSO conditions will likely continue through the summer.

The SOI was +2.65 today. 

The preliminary Arctic Oscillation (AO) was +1.289 today. 

Based on sensitivity analysis applied to the latest guidance, there is an implied 68% probability that New York City will have a warmer than normal July (1991-2020 normal). July will likely finish with a mean temperature near 78.8° (1.3° above normal). 

 

Got to 89 here, just missed 90.

[LibertyBell]

1 hour ago, dmillz25 said:

Late high of 90 at the Park

yep hit 89 here after 4 PM that was unexpected lol

Usually on a seabreeze day we peak before 2 PM

[LibertyBell]

1 hour ago, LongBeachSurfFreak said:

Sea breeze looks minimal tomorrow. Should allow the coast to rain. Sorry liberty, weeds, mosquitoes and allergies are coming. 

ugh I was going to do some landscaping work in my yard tomorrow lol.

when you said sea breeze minimal I thought you meant it was going to be hot lol

From what I looked at, it's going to rain both Thursday and Friday and cloudy Saturday, so no sunshine after today until Sunday?

 

[qg_omega]

DC is hit everyday

[LibertyBell]

2 hours ago, Sundog said:

96 sounds like a lot until you see Ambient weather stations at 95 degrees on Staten Island and several others at 95 or 96 all around the airport, even in much quieter neighborhoods. 

I do believe Newark is representative of its area but not for our area as a whole.  You just have to look at the summer of 1993 to see that.  Although Newark's hottest summers match my own area's they are always a few degrees hotter.  In 1993, Newark had 9 100+ days while NYC had 3 (in a row) and JFK had 2 (in a row.)  This was before the siting issues.  You can even go back to 1949 when Newark had 8 100+ days while NYC had 5 99+ days.  Newark has almost always been a few degrees hotter than Central Park, even before the siting issues.  As a matter of fact, going by number of 90 degree days, Newark closely matches Philadelphia, so I'd say their summer climate is more like Philadelphia than it is New York City-- which makes sense, since it is inland.

 

[LibertyBell]

2 hours ago, Sundog said:

96 sounds like a lot until you see Ambient weather stations at 95 degrees on Staten Island and several others at 95 or 96 all around the airport, even in much quieter neighborhoods. 

Final high of 97 at EWR.

[SACRUS]

 

 

Storms poudning the Blt/DC/DE areas.  Some storms pushing now into NJ

 

[SACRUS]

 

[winterwarlock]

29 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

ugh I was going to do some landscaping work in my yard tomorrow lol.

when you said sea breeze minimal I thought you meant it was going to be hot lol

From what I looked at, it's going to rain both Thursday and Friday and cloudy Saturday, so no sunshine after today until Sunday?

 

I think we sun both Friday and Saturday and good deal of sun Sunday

[Wannabehippie]

4 hours ago, LibertyBell said:

Heard more about the Con Ed situation, they are going to raise both gas and electric prices 15% and not only that, they are also going to increase transmission costs so even if you use less power you will still pay more.  And it's not an insignificant amount, WABC7 said it could amount to a 200 dollar higher bill PER MONTH.

 

ConEd made $1,820 million in profit in 2024. That is $1.82 billion. And they want to raise prices, and transmission costs. Which means even if you choose a 3rd party provider for gas and electric, you still will pay more due to the higher transmission fees. They should get zilch, zip, nada for gas and electric increases.  In fact their prices should be rolled back a good 5%.