"We're gonna need a bigger plow..." Massive, persistent singal now emerges discretely in the models, 20th-23rd

[STILL N OF PIKE]

1 hour ago, CoastalWx said:

Death tolls from heart attacks happen. I’m more concerned about the deaths directly related to the storm from being in the elements etc. 

The number of people who made it to my hotels lobby as Friday eve went on kept climbing. They were the lucky ones that were rescued by emergency vehicles and a Good Samaritan our on a snow mobile . Everyone has a story , and everyone seemed grateful . 30 or so folks stayed in lobby as the first group of us were able to book rooms . Took multiple people rescued several hours to make it 2 miles as they kept getting stuck or playing a slow game of bumper cars trying to keep on road with poor visibility and all the stuck and abandoned cars 

Many mentioned They  instinctively flocked to transit road As it’s usually the best maintained , many were only a few miles from home , many had suv’s

[HIPPYVALLEY]

4 hours ago, CoastalWx said:

Death tolls from heart attacks happen. I’m more concerned about the deaths directly related to the storm from being in the elements etc. 

I’m hedging towards most of the deaths in Buffalo were from that.

[BuffaloWeather]

8 hours ago, HIPPYVALLEY said:

According to today's Boston Globe the death toll is up to 27 in New York and 48 nationally.  The NY count is expected to rise.  Crazy.

 

[40/70 Benchmark]

15 hours ago, STILL N OF PIKE said:

The number of people who made it to my hotels lobby as Friday eve went on kept climbing. They were the lucky ones that were rescued by emergency vehicles and a Good Samaritan our on a snow mobile . Everyone has a story , and everyone seemed grateful . 30 or so folks stayed in lobby as the first group of us were able to book rooms . Took multiple people rescued several hours to make it 2 miles as they kept getting stuck or playing a slow game of bumper cars trying to keep on road with poor visibility and all the stuck and abandoned cars 

Many mentioned They  instinctively flocked to transit road As it’s usually the best maintained , many were only a few miles from home , many had suv’s

That was totally the Buffalo version of the blizzard of '78.

[tamarack]

2 hours ago, 40/70 Benchmark said:

That was totally the Buffalo version of the blizzard of '78.

More like BUF's repeat of 1977, only moreso.

[Ginx snewx]

5 hours ago, 40/70 Benchmark said:

That was totally the Buffalo version of the blizzard of '78.

 

3 hours ago, tamarack said:

More like BUF's repeat of 1977, only moreso.

The absolute worst combo of wind cold snow I have ever seen. 16 people lost in the snow died.  Think about that.

[HoarfrostHubb]

This is nuts 

 

[Ginx snewx]

8 hours ago, Ginx snewx said:

 

The absolute worst combo of wind cold snow I have ever seen. 16 people lost in the snow died.  Think about that.

People say a 78 traffic disaster could never occur again due to current infrastructure.  I say BS. 12/2007 proved that. But this is crazy 

[HIPPYVALLEY]

39 minutes ago, Ginx snewx said:

People say a 78 traffic disaster could never occur again due to current infrastructure.  I say BS. 12/2007 proved that. But this is crazy 

WTAF?  
Nightmare storm for them.

Death toll will go up unfortunately. 

[ice1972]

2 hours ago, Ginx snewx said:

People say a 78 traffic disaster could never occur again due to current infrastructure.  I say BS. 12/2007 proved that. But this is crazy 

12/2007 was crazy.......I worked the back roads to get home that night and was able to do it in an hour which was only 30 minutes longer than normal but the snow was nuts and I had friends at work that it took hours to get home.......that was the ride home in the blizzard with the 6 month old in the car seat.....hair on the chest sort of stuff......haven't seen a deal like that in a bit......cuz winter decided to suck for all time it seems since then

[DavisStraight]

2 hours ago, HIPPYVALLEY said:

WTAF?  
Nightmare storm for them.

Death toll will go up unfortunately. 

Up to 60, we love this stuff because we're young weenies but it's dangerous for older people.

More than 60 killed in blizzard wreaking havoc across U.S. (yahoo.com)

[ice1972]

2 hours ago, Ginx snewx said:

People say a 78 traffic disaster could never occur again due to current infrastructure.  I say BS. 12/2007 proved that. But this is crazy 

We live in a residential neighborhood just off to the side of 84 in West Hartford.......the house was built in 1950 and the highway followed about 10 years after.....I often think about what 78 looked like just on the other side of the wood sound wall across the street.....if that happened now I would totally hump my ass out onto the highway with hot coffee and hot chocolate and get folks warm and alive......

[weathafella]

23 hours ago, DavisStraight said:

Up to 60, we love this stuff because we're young weenies but it's dangerous for older people.

More than 60 killed in blizzard wreaking havoc across U.S. (yahoo.com)

Alot of those who died were young.  Older folks tended to avoid going out.   And I love you but you're not young!

[The 4 Seasons]

Hey sorry to bother you guys @dendrite @ORH_wxman I am working on some past stuff and i am just dying to know what's going on with this...

The total pcp for this event at climo sites is ridiculously low and doesn't match snowfall totals. I'm not sure if this was talked about but im curious to know why this is the case. The ratios for all the climo sites are on the order of 30-50:1. Is this because ASOS is measuring the precipitation directly and the high wind is throwing it off? This is the ony thing that makes sense to me. I looked at many cocorahs/COOP reports which are taken from samples and they are more reasonable around 15-20:1 in the heavier banding. 

If thats the case why do they use ASOS precipitation instead of taking a core sample? I mean these are important official climo sites, if precip is so off like this, isn't that affecting climo with under reporting precipitation for the month/year? Not sure if this has been discussed before but i never noticed it this bad with a single storm. I imagine most blizzards and high wind storms are like this. 2015 is a bit more reasonable like 15-25:1.

Here's the numbers so you dont have to go looking

BOS 23.6" .45 52:1

PVD 18.8" .38 49:1

BDL 6.8" .21 32:1

ORH 14.7" .50 29:1

[dendrite]

5 hours ago, The 4 Seasons said:

Hey sorry to bother you guys @dendrite @ORH_wxman I am working on some past stuff and i am just dying to know what's going on with this...

The total pcp for this event at climo sites is ridiculously low and doesn't match snowfall totals. I'm not sure if this was talked about but im curious to know why this is the case. The ratios for all the climo sites are on the order of 30-50:1. Is this because ASOS is measuring the precipitation directly and the high wind is throwing it off? This is the ony thing that makes sense to me. I looked at many cocorahs/COOP reports which are taken from samples and they are more reasonable around 15-20:1 in the heavier banding. 

If thats the case why do they use ASOS precipitation instead of taking a core sample? I mean these are important official climo sites, if precip is so off like this, isn't that affecting climo with under reporting precipitation for the month/year? Not sure if this has been discussed before but i never noticed it this bad with a single storm. I imagine most blizzards and high wind storms are like this. 2015 is a bit more reasonable like 15-25:1.

Here's the numbers so you dont have to go looking

BOS 23.6" .45 52:1

PVD 18.8" .38 49:1

BDL 6.8" .21 32:1

ORH 14.7" .50 29:1

Which event is this?

[dendrite]

Nevermind…Jan 22 I assume.

Yeah it’s likely undercatch from wind.

[ORH_wxman]

I"m not sure why they don't adjust it....they have the ability to manually augment the precip if they think under catching is occurring. I agree those are definitely incorrect precip totals. 

[dendrite]

17 minutes ago, ORH_wxman said:

I"m not sure why they don't adjust it....they have the ability to manually augment the precip if they think under catching is occurring. I agree those are definitely incorrect precip totals. 

Yeah. A reasonable estimate is better than accepting obviously bad data. Just take an avg of cocorahs ratios in the area and apply it to the accepted snow total for the site. It isn’t difficult.