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I mostly agree with you on the “open up” question-But some restrictions are just illogical at this point.
For example, here in NY (and MA used to have this restriction), you must order food if you’re at a bar/restaurant. So, you can’t grab cocktails at a different place before going to dinner. Another example would be the subway shutdowns from 2AM-4AM for “deep cleaning” when we know the disease doesn’t spread efficiently on surfaces. 
 
Bringing it back to New England, why does Gov. Baker allow indoor restaurants to open at 100% but outdoor sporting events and concerts aren’t yet allowed to be open at anything close to full capacity?
 
In my view, you either go really hard on restrictions (I.e. New Zealand) or no restrictions at all. This in between shit just makes everyone crazy, whether it’s the “Covid-Zero” types or the Clay Travis disciples.
 
Restaurants are 100% capacity in mass?

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7 minutes ago, PhineasC said:

Many schools are still closed multiple days per week and restaurants/shops in many places have strict capacity and time restrictions. Leave your bubble and you’ll see. 

how many times recently have you been refused entry at a restaurant because of capacity limits?  keep feigning that faux outrage.

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3 minutes ago, Ginx snewx said:

How many concerts have you been to this month? Ask a catering company how business is. Get out of your bubble

Exactly. DINK couples hitting Whole Foods and the local pizza joint once a week acting like we are wide open across the land. LOL

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Just now, fujiwara79 said:

how many times recently have you been refused entry at a restaurant because of capacity limits?  keep feigning that faux outrage.

Many times. I have probably traveled more than anyone here since the pandemic started. If you can’t get a reservation to even a chain restaurant that is just like being turned away. You are the guy arguing for WFH for all time so I doubt you go out much. 

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2 minutes ago, Lava Rock said:

Restaurants are 100% capacity in mass?

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the only 'restrictions' right now are international travel and mosh pits at concerts.  but the perpetually aggrieved and outraged will continue to complain about "lockdowns" ten years from now.  at this point it's part of their mental programming and now reflective of reality.

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Can they put the backboards back up on the basketball courts after the snow melts?  I promise not to pass or back anyone down in the low post, just launch 3s.  

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4 minutes ago, fujiwara79 said:

the only 'restrictions' right now are international travel and mosh pits at concerts.  but the perpetually aggrieved and outraged will continue to complain about "lockdowns" ten years from now.  at this point it's part of their mental programming and now reflective of reality.

This is definitely not the case. You clearly have zero idea what you are talking about. 

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5 minutes ago, PhineasC said:

Many times. I have probably traveled more than anyone here since the pandemic started. If you can’t get a reservation to even a chain restaurant that is just like being turned away.

sorry, but no.  i've had trouble getting reservations for my preferred times to restaurants before covid.  happens all the time.  waiting an hour to get seated at oilve garden was commonplace on a saturday night but now you can walk right in.  keep raging, bro.

6 minutes ago, PhineasC said:

You are the guy arguing for WFH for all time so I doubt you go out much. 

okay, boomer.  you've got quite the social lifestyle given your 26k posts.

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14 minutes ago, radarman said:

Can they put the backboards back up on the basketball courts after the snow melts?  I promise not to pass or back anyone down in the low post, just launch 3s.  

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1 minute ago, TauntonBlizzard2013 said:

That’s not really true. They still have to have tables and booths 6 feet apart... so it’s more than likely nowhere close to 100%

And for many smaller restaurants that’s still a huge restriction. Restaurants need to be packed to have the slim profit margins work out. The single 20-something DoorDash crowd has zero clue about any of that. 

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3 minutes ago, PhineasC said:

And for many smaller restaurants that’s still a huge restriction. Restaurants need to be packed to have the slim profit margins work out. The single 20-something DoorDash crowd has zero clue about any of that. 

Not sure why you’re attacking me when I posted earlier that many of the restrictions are nonsensical? I’ve also done my part in supporting the restaurant and travel industry. I eat out multiple times per week, have travelled to Utah and South Carolina already in 2021, and violated the quarantine rule in VT several times in order to ski!

And before you say that I’m not feeling any economic hardship. It’s true that I’ve kept my job, have a reasonably high income, etc... But my company’s most profitable segment, our gum and mints business, is down 30% since Covid began due to the fact that people don’t like chewing gum while wearing masks. As a result, bonuses were reduced, we’ve laid people off, etc...

Have I proved my Covid bona fides to you yet? (Not that I need to-but I’m not going to sit around while you attack me on here)

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16 minutes ago, PhineasC said:

And for many smaller restaurants that’s still a huge restriction. Restaurants need to be packed to have the slim profit margins work out. The single 20-something DoorDash crowd has zero clue about any of that. 

I work with these businesses daily and many got more from the 3 PPP distributions then they would have received in a reduced Covid crowd the last 12 months. Even with 100% occupancy, I doubt many restaurants reach that point during the last 12 months. You should see how much some of these restaurants have in their accounts when they usually are just breaking even.

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2 minutes ago, bch2014 said:

Not sure why you’re attacking me when I posted earlier that many of the restrictions are nonsensical? I’ve also done my part in supporting the restaurant and travel industry. I eat out multiple times per week, have travelled to Utah and South Carolina already in 2021, and violated the quarantine rule in VT several times in order to ski!

And before you say that I’m not feeling any economic hardship. It’s true that I’ve kept my job, have a reasonably high income, etc... But my company’s most profitable segment, our gum and mints business, is down 30% since Covid began due to the fact that people don’t like chewing gum while wearing masks. As a result, bonuses were reduced, we’ve laid people off, etc...

Have I proved my Covid bona fides to you yet? (Not that I need to-but I’m not going to sit around while you attack me on here)

Don’t take it personally, I think you get it, fundamentally. Guys like @fujiwara79 are a big part of the issue, however. There is a tendency for the WFH techno-capitalist class to keep pushing for lockdowns and restrictions because they feel zero impact from such things and have an anti-social bent already. The vast majority of journalists and media figures are also in this group. That’s really not a good thing. 

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Just now, BuffaloWeather said:

I work with these businesses daily and many got more from the 3 PPP distributions then they would have received in a reduced Covid crowd the last 12 months. Even with 100% occupancy, I doubt many restaurants reach that point during the last 12 months.

PPP loans definitely helped but many businesses missed out. You had to move fast. 

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I’m from PA so that’s why it may be different here, but we have a liberal governor and literally everything is open. I’m guessing in Maryland or Massachusetts things aren’t? I think it should all be open, I’m not arguing otherwise...just stating I don’t see much closed or off limits.

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Just now, PhineasC said:

PPP loans definitely helped but many businesses missed out. You had to move fast. 

Yeah, most of my clients got them. I work at a large bank and we adapted quickly. Most of the smaller businesses 1-3 employees were the ones hurt the most. They were too late/or didn't know how to go through the process. It was quite complicated in the first few months.

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3 minutes ago, Wmsptwx said:

I’m from PA so that’s why it may be different here, but we have a liberal governor and literally everything is open. I’m guessing in Maryland or Massachusetts things aren’t? I think it should all be open, I’m not arguing otherwise...just stating I don’t see much closed or off limits.

Or maybe you just don’t do much? Never attend concerts, or ball games, or shows?

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2 minutes ago, PhineasC said:

Or maybe you just don’t do much? Never attend concerts, or ball games, or shows?

I work two jobs one my career one to help pay off college so not a lot of time to being doing a lot of that, but I’ve seen full high school baseball games well attended, local theater has been open for community orchestra, restaurants have been booming and local bars and wineries having live music. Seems like we’re coming out of it pretty good. 

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2 minutes ago, Wmsptwx said:

I work two jobs one my career one to help pay off college so not a lot of time to being doing a lot of that, but I’ve seen full high school baseball games well attended, local theater has been open for community orchestra, restaurants have been booming and local bars and wineries having live music. Seems like we’re coming out of it pretty good. 

Cool, glad to hear things are going well. I hope everyone else “comes out of it” as well and as quickly as you did. Sincerely, I do. Clearly, everyone is going to have wildly different viewpoints on when “normal” has returned based on their own lives. For some people, normal has always been 7 days at home and never eating out or socializing. 

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CT is 100% open, but there are still things that are suffering.   Take the local ice cream joint.  It's open, but there's no concerts at local schools so you don't have 30 families hitting the place at once after their 5th grade concert.    Catering for large parties?  Technically open but who is throwing a large indoor party right now?    Concert/lecture halls?   Not really open if there's no events scheduled.  It's not always a matter of what's "officially open"

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4 minutes ago, Brian5671 said:

CT is 100% open, but there are still things that are suffering.   Take the local ice cream joint.  It's open, but there's no concerts at local schools so you don't have 30 families hitting the place at once after their 5th grade concert.    Catering for large parties?  Technically open but who is throwing a large indoor party right now?    Concert/lecture halls?   Not really open if there's no events scheduled.  It's not always a matter of what's "officially open"

Second and third-order effects are hard for people to understand, I guess. 

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When I canceled my company Christmas party this past December, the venue company was flipping out and begging me to reconsider. Clearly they have been getting hammered. They also made many legal threats towards the end to try to compel me to have the party. It was pretty sad and I felt bad for them. 

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1 minute ago, PhineasC said:

When I canceled my company Christmas party this past December, the venue company was flipping out and begging me to reconsider. Clearly they have been getting hammered. They also made many legal threats towards the end to try to compel me to have the party. It was pretty sad and I felt bad for them. 

I hear you.  We had booked almost all the places at a northern Maine sporting camp as part of our annual 2-day "silvicultural advisory committee" (basically an expert review group) field trip last August, but COVID led us to bail out about 2 months beforehand - lot of folks from all over bunking together was a no go.  Had to be a big blow to the camp owner, as August is a down month with just prepping for September bear hunters on the table.  We're rescheduling the same itinerary for this August under the assumption/hope that all/most attendees will have been vaccinated by then.

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1 hour ago, Lava Rock said:

Restaurants are 100% capacity in mass?

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Not exactly. There is no percent capacity limit, but there’s a 6 feet distance requirement. That constrains some tables that can’t be used. So the reality is there is a limit. But as someone’s who eats out a lot, it depends on the layout of the restaurant how constrained it is. 
Office capacity is still at 50%. That’s starting to effect some places of business, including mine.

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1 hour ago, fujiwara79 said:

okay, boomer.  

He’s not a boomer. And we really need that?? It’s pretty offensive. 
We can keep stuff civil here if we try. I think we’re all adults.

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My son just finished up indoor flag football season. Where he played is a huge indoor facility. It’s like a big, 50,000 sq foot warehouse with fields. Capacity restrictions limited it to one parent. My daughter didn’t get to go watch him play all season.  My wife went to one game and I had to wait in the car. So yea, capacity limits suck and make no sense sometimes.

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Just now, WhitinsvilleWX said:

My son just finished up indoor flag football season. Where he played is a huge indoor facility. It’s like a big, 50,000 sq foot warehouse with fields. Capacity restrictions limited it to one parent. My daughter didn’t get to go watch him play all season.  My wife went to one game and I had to wait in the car. So yea, capacity limits suck and make no sense sometimes.

I couldn't and still can't attend any of my grandaughters games in high school but 100% open? Why is unemployment so high? PPP loans obviously didn't save the thousands of restaurants across the country permanently closed. Yes its great we are getting back but we are not there yet.

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