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1 hour ago, nwohweather said:

This is the entire problem. Beaches and hiking are essential to clear your mind and relax. We went too far in our initial shutdowns and fatigued the Continental US into not giving a damn. Lol only places like the NE, Chicago, Detroit really care about this. I think it's most reflected in college football/racing where you have the Big 10 shut down and a fanless Indy 500, yet the SEC and NASCAR are both having fans in attendance

And yet the south continues to lead the way in new cases and deaths, I wonder why.

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NASCAR hasn’t had over 20 percent capacity at any venue his season? Unless somethings changed. SEC I can’t speak for, don’t really watch or know much about them.

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14 minutes ago, Stebo said:

And yet the south continues to lead the way in new cases and deaths, I wonder why.

Air conditioning and they were late to the party when this thing was spiking in northern states.

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And yet the south continues to lead the way in new cases and deaths, I wonder why.


Our cases have subsided quite considerably in recent days with mask wearing being incredibly high this last month. In fact we’re trending quite better than Michigan in recent weeks. Michigan is adding about 300 more new cases than here per day so it kind of adds to my point about the fatigue. South Carolinians are stubbornly conforming to the rules while Michiganders are ready to break free, and the numbers are showing this
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2 hours ago, nwohweather said:

 


Our cases have subsided quite considerably in recent days with mask wearing being incredibly high this last month. In fact we’re trending quite better than Michigan in recent weeks. Michigan is adding about 300 more new cases than here per day so it kind of adds to my point about the fatigue. South Carolinians are stubbornly conforming to the rules while Michiganders are ready to break free, and the numbers are showing this

 

Michigan is testing a substantial amount more than most places in the south. You can literally go anywhere and get a test because up here we actually want to know who is sick instead of guessing or assuming.

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11 hours ago, Stebo said:

And yet the south continues to lead the way in new cases and deaths, I wonder why.

Sources

Johns Hopkins University; CNN

Survey by

Johns Hopkins University

Published by

CNN

Source link

edition.cnn.com

Release date

August 2020

 

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2 hours ago, Baum said:
Sources

Johns Hopkins University; CNN

Survey by

Johns Hopkins University

Published by

CNN

Source link

edition.cnn.com

Release date

August 2020

 

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That's total, I'm talking recently. Everyone knows NYC was ****ed initially. 

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Michigan is testing a substantial amount more than most places in the south. You can literally go anywhere and get a test because up here we actually want to know who is sick instead of guessing or assuming.

Please there are four testing places within my town alone. The bigger issue is the majority of people don’t care to actually get tested. Especially hospitality employees who don’t want to lose pay

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18 minutes ago, nwohweather said:


Please there are four testing places within my town alone. The bigger issue is the majority of people don’t care to actually get tested. Especially hospitality employees who don’t want to lose pay

Then that's a SC issue.  Most healthcare places around here require testing - some weekly.  Explains IL at 52k tests per day...

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8 minutes ago, RyanDe680 said:

Then that's a SC issue.  Most healthcare places around here require testing - some weekly.  Explains IL at 52k tests per day...

Hospitality not hospital. Tourism is a much larger part of the economy here. Also lets be honest if we closed things off to Midwesterners (feels weird saying that lol) things would've been much better COVID wise, but would have destroyed us economically. A lot of Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, New Jersey plates in Lowcountry spending their summer vacations and bringing the coronavirus with them

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7 minutes ago, nwohweather said:

Hospitality not hospital. Tourism is a much larger part of the economy here. Also lets be honest if we closed things off to Midwesterners (feels weird saying that lol) things would've been much better COVID wise, but would have destroyed us economically. A lot of Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, New Jersey plates in Lowcountry spending their summer vacations and bringing the coronavirus with them

it's incredibly sad you still believe this.

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41 minutes ago, nwohweather said:


Please there are four testing places within my town alone. The bigger issue is the majority of people don’t care to actually get tested. Especially hospitality employees who don’t want to lose pay

You don't think that tourism isn't huge in this state?  Yet we are testing thousands daily. It is entirely because one state believes this is real and one state that doesn't. 

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1 minute ago, Stebo said:

You don't think that tourism isn't huge in this state?  Yet we are testing thousands daily. It is entirely because one state believes this is real and one state that doesn't. 

It's all political....

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2 minutes ago, Stebo said:

You don't think that tourism isn't huge in this state?  Yet we are testing thousands daily. It is entirely because one state believes this is real and one state that doesn't. 

testing.

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6 minutes ago, purduewx80 said:

it's incredibly sad you still believe this.

Believe what? We had extremely low numbers until the state opened up. Combine tourism with masks being the only mandate and it's a like 5000 j/kg for Coronavirus.

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11 minutes ago, Stebo said:

You don't think that tourism isn't huge in this state?  Yet we are testing thousands daily. It is entirely because one state believes this is real and one state that doesn't. 

It's not close to the same as here. Dollars wise it's basically a tie, $22 Billion, but this state is considerably less populated and poorer than Michigan. So a lot of these people cannot afford to go without, the tourism industry as a percentage is as big as the auto industry is in Michigan.

Charleston is basically a city on the hill compared to most of the state, the peninsula and it's immediate suburbs are the equivalent of if Farmington Hills/Northville were an entire metro area. It's wild how expensive it is around the city. There are some rougher spots similar to Inkster a little bit from there and then where I live is a lot like Westland but once you get outside of that it gets very rural. 

I wouldn't say people don't believe it's real here, they just really don't care. I don't know why but I'm telling you the vast majority do not care. I don't decide societal rules here lol all I can do is wear a mask and spend more time on the beach

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2 minutes ago, nwohweather said:

It's not close to the same as here. Dollars wise it's basically a tie, $22 Billion, but this state is considerably less populated and poorer than Michigan. So a lot of these people cannot afford to go without, the tourism industry as a percentage is as big as the auto industry is in Michigan.

Charleston is basically a city on the hill compared to most of the state, the peninsula and it's immediate suburbs are the equivalent of if Farmington Hills/Northville were an entire metro area. It's wild how expensive it is around the city. There are some rougher spots similar to Inkster a little bit from there and then where I live is a lot like Westland but once you get outside of that it gets very rural. 

I wouldn't say people don't believe it's real here, they just really don't care. I don't know why but I'm telling you the vast majority do not care. I don't decide societal rules here lol all I can do is wear a mask and spend more time on the beach

People don't want to live in fear of something that has less than 1% chance of killing.  Get outdoors, distance yourself, mask off breathe the fresh air and enjoy life.  If you're high risk, take the precautions necessary.  

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2 hours ago, dta1984 said:

People don't want to live in fear of something that has less than 1% chance of killing.  Get outdoors, distance yourself, mask off breathe the fresh air and enjoy life.  If you're high risk, take the precautions necessary.  

On principle, I agree with a lot of the sentiment in your post and see a lot of people saying the same thing.

In practice, when this sentiment is put into practice, this darn virus spreads like crazy because people cut enough corners to spread it around too quickly and there are not enough precautions available to protect the vulnerable so many end up in the hospital needing inpatient care and stressing hospital capacity and causing massive death toll. In addition the hospitalization rate is much higher than the fatality rate so though most survive, not all survive without incurring some degree of morbidity.

This is not a fear thing, at this point IMO, I think while there are some still afraid of the virus, most are just tired, frustrated or angry with how much it has screwed up our normal way of life.

 

The extra frustrating part to me is that it appears we are likely very close to an effective vaccine - all data points are coming back positive so avoiding the policies necessary for containment in the early and second wave stages of the pandemic as executed in other developed countries mean we end up with a massive amount of excess morbidity and mortality that could have been delayed and saved.

 

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2 hours ago, Baum said:

testing.

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If we were testing at their levels our case numbers would be lower than theirs by a substantial margin. Imagine if the south was actually testing at the level the north is, their cases would be higher big time. Again the recent numbers are the part that matters, you are looking at this from a total aspect, for what reason I don't know.

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I'm just posting real stats. But am I missing that California, Texas, and Florida are the highest testing states sans New York  as of August 23? And their  cases are also the highest, as you state, though I did not post cases. Caveat, there death rates are well below what was experienced in the northeast during there peak. So the graph to some extent supports your theories on testing equates to cases. However, to say the sun belt is not testing on a high level would not be true based on this graphic. The idea is not to debate rather to report consistent facts as they currently lie with real data. 

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1 hour ago, Baum said:

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I'm just posting real stats. But am I missing that California, Texas, and Florida are the highest testing states sans New York  as of August 23? And their  cases are also the highest, as you state, though I did not post cases. Caveat, there death rates are well below what was experienced in the northeast during there peak. So the graph to some extent supports your theories on testing equates to cases. However, to say the sun belt is not testing on a high level would not be true based on this graphic. The idea is not to debate rather to report consistent facts as they currently lie with real data. 

They aren't testing at the highest rates compared to other states similar in size though, their positive rates per testing proves that. And using a graph that is collective skews the data when I am referring to recently. NY/NJ/IL/MI/CA have some of the highest numbers because of what happened back in March and April but since then the numbers are substantially higher in the south and are not going down there.

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For example, GA/MI both very similar population yet MI has done 400k more tests and has had 150k less cases. NY/TX TX has 150k more cases in less tests by 3 million less tests.

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7 hours ago, nwohweather said:


Please there are four testing places within my town alone. The bigger issue is the majority of people don’t care to actually get tested. Especially hospitality employees who don’t want to lose pay

Our testing centers double as tumbleweed farms and half the people walking around are wearing vented masks.

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4 minutes ago, Jonger said:

Our testing centers double as tumbleweed farms and half the people walking around are wearing vented masks.

Here is someone that would fit in perfectly down south.

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52 minutes ago, Stebo said:

For example, GA/MI both very similar population yet MI has done 400k more tests and has had 150k less cases. NY/TX TX has 150k more cases in less tests by 3 million less tests.

Yes because as I've said before THEY REALLY DON'T CARE AS A SOCIETY. Dude lol it's not the governments, there's ample testing here. People just aren't really as phased by this as what you're seeing up North. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, just telling you what's happening

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1 minute ago, nwohweather said:

Yes because as I've said before THEY REALLY DON'T CARE AS A SOCIETY. Dude lol it's not the governments, there's ample testing here. People just aren't really as phased by this as what you're seeing up North. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, just telling you what's happening

Which is why there are more people getting sick in the south, which was my point... Because you all don't give a damn, so you are getting sick at a higher rate than here.

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1 hour ago, Stebo said:

Here is someone that would fit in perfectly down south.

Yes, the guy who actually uses snow in this subforum belongs down south.

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Yes, the guy who actually uses snow in this subforum belongs down south.

I know you’re just making a point and I’m not responding to that in any way, but I thought I’d make sure we all know there’s more than one of us that use the snow. I use the hell out of it and would be up there with will and bo if my work would allow it.

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32 minutes ago, Jonger said:

Yes, the guy who actually uses snow in this subforum belongs down south.

Dude I icefish, so put away the measuring stick, plus you know what I meant.

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The global elite control the south. They give them a dialectic to follow and like good peasants they follow them. It was the southern elite who created the council of foreign relations via Davis and Thurmond, 2 men who saw themselves as globalist plantation owners.

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