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January 2019 Discussion II


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13 minutes ago, NorEastermass128 said:

The cell phone phenomenon is particularly frustrating when going on a long run and your battery goes from 98% to dead in 5 minutes.  It's hit and miss though.  Sometimes it happens at 30F, but other times at <20F, it works fine.  I also attribute it to my phone being nearly 5 years old.

The 5 year old part is the key!!

 

Had an I phone 6 for 4 years and the last year with it last winter, it would die in any type of cold, in a few minutes!

 

got a new iPhone 8 in Late June...and have been up in northern MAINE twice this year, and temps were frigid(-26f one night and -8F for a high temp last weekend), and phone never missed a beat at all. Had it in pants pocket as I rode..and It held the charge and battery life was not affected at all.  Last year my 6 would die in a few minutes from that cold.  

 

 It’s the battery...if it’s young and strong no issues.  But if it’s a little older and starting to lose some strength, then the cold will expose that weakness very quickly. 

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12 minutes ago, Kitzbuhel Craver said:

The GEFS more accurate than the EPS 11-15 the last 90 days? Really?!

Yeah that isn’t surprising when you think back.  There was a very long stretch somewhere in late December I think where the EPS insisted the pattern was going to stay very bad and the GEFS disagreed.  The GEFS still showed a meh pattern itself, but it wasn’t AS horrific.  Ultimately the EPS eventually caved.  That right there may have been enough for it to lose the 90 day score 

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It is amazing how separate that Northern Stream and Southern Stream have stayed this year. Not even an ounce of goodwill between the 2, to entice the coming together for the possibility of breaking bread...

When Egon said, Don't cross the streams, Ray...who knew the universe would obey verbatim???

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39 minutes ago, weathafella said:

MEX with a high of -16 at ORD Wednesday and a high of 47 by Saturday.

It's been happening all season though ... Cold knifing incursions that behave like probes and pull out as quick as they arrived. We've been getting stabbed like prison shiv scenes ... in and out.  This one is just perhaps a bit more robust for the "in" part ...but the out nearly as quickly is an antic quite thematic on the season. 

It's one of the reasons why all these rain events have been so maddening... People remember their fingers aching when scraping their car's windshield ... then, blithely, rain ...sometimes on the same damn day.   The issue? There's been very little sustained ... "foundational" cold ... within which lurks and/or foments the storm systems. 

 

 

 

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Just now, Typhoon Tip said:

It's been happening all season though ... Cold knifing incursions that behave like probes and pull out as quick as they arrived. We've been getting stabbed liked prison shiv scenes ... in and out.  This one is just perhaps a bit more robust for the "in" part ...but the out antic is thematic on the season. 

It's one of the reasons why all these rain events have been so maddening... People remember their fingers aching when scraping their car's windshield ... then, blithely, rain ...sometimes on the same damn day.   The issue? There's been very little sustained ... "foundational" cold ... within which lurks and/or foments the storm systems. 

Cyclones do that season to season; sometimes they seem to favor developing on the warm side of the westerlies.. other seasons, the opposite is true. 

 

 

Yes....but I’m pretty sure we haven’t seen a 63F swing in 72 hours.

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3 minutes ago, weathafella said:

Yes....but I’m pretty sure we haven’t seen a 63F swing in 72 hours.

Not sure what your point is...  ?

The point I'm making is that there is a pretty clear precedence already established that that we can turn things around in a hurry.

Magnitude, notwithstanding ... I acknowledged that anyway, " This one is just perhaps a bit more robust for the "in" part ...but the out antic is thematic on the season.  "

 

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5 minutes ago, Typhoon Tip said:

Not sure what your point is...  ?

The point I'm making is that there is a pretty clear precedence already established that that we can turn things around in a hurry.

Magnitude, notwithstanding ... I acknowledged that anyway, " This one is just perhaps a bit more robust for the "in" part ...but the out antic is thematic on the season.  "

 

My point should be evident.  Flirting with the coldest ever to near record warmth in 3 days is amazing!   I get that if any season foretold this 2018-19 is the one but we’ve had others somewhat similar and I just don’t have a memory of that.

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I've seen it before ... several times...

Hell, it was 9 F at dawn one faithful morning in late January, 1994 ...and it was 64 at 11 pm with howling southerly gales that very same evening up and UML.

We did that inside of the same 12 to 18 hours let alone 2 or 3 days.  There are others in the old rolladex of memories.... Granted, it may not be that common -

I guess your 'magnitude' part didn't resonate as loudly with me.

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22 minutes ago, Baroclinic Zone said:

NAO looks positive, save for a couple members.

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Ensemble mean of eps does show some blocking.  Sign of NAO notwithstanding.  Sometimes the numerical value does not tell the story as it may be mslp differences or even h5 at specific locations. 

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The EPS looks like a two day transience with that warm up ... Not sure how that compares to the operational per se... but, that's only "devastating" because we've been devastated by dearth and only adds to torment.

But, truth be told, ...could almost just be construed as a thaw anyway - most winters have them.   We been cold enough to snow, just no snow ... So, as far as "thawing" is concerned, snow is/was never really a part of that - it's about pattern roll outs and temperature recovery ... 

Usually prior to some form or another of a reload so... unfortunately, whether winter enthusiasts feel they have patience to endure a thaw or not - because of taxation and tolls already rendered ....

too bad. 

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Glad we don’t live at thief river falls.

GFSX MOS (MEX)
 KTVF   GFSX MOS GUIDANCE   1/27/2019  1200 UTC                       
 FHR  24  36| 48  60| 72  84| 96 108|120 132|144 156|168 180|192      
      MON 28| TUE 29| WED 30| THU 31| FRI 01| SAT 02| SUN 03|MON CLIMO
 N/X  -7   5|-29 -27|-38 -22|-31  -4| -4  17| 14  26|  6   7|-13 -4 16
 TMP  -2  -1|-23 -29|-33 -25|-24  -6|  3  14| 18  23| 13   3| -8      
 DPT -13 -11|-30 -38|-40 -32|-30 -12| -3   7| 12  15|  8  -2|-13      
 CLD  OV  OV| OV  OV| OV  PC| PC  OV| OV  OV| OV  OV| OV  OV| OV      
 WND  17  12| 12  18| 14   9|  7  11| 13  10| 16  16| 12  12| 15      
 P12  61  33| 13  10|  7   4|  0  20| 23  21| 19  24| 33  18| 17999999
 P24      69|     13|      8|     21|     27|     31|     40|      999
 Q12   1   0|  0   0|  0   0|  0   0|  0   0|  0   0|       |         
 Q24       1|      0|      0|      0|      0|      0|       |         
 T12   0   0|  0   0|  0   0|  0   1|  0   0|  0   1|  0   0|  0      
 T24        |  1    |  0    |  0    |  1    |  0    |  1    |  1      
 PZP   1   1|  0   1|  1   1|  0   1|  2   3|  6   8|  7   1|  2      
 PSN  98  99|100  99| 99  98|100  99| 92  90| 90  74| 67  97| 95      
 PRS   1   0|  0   0|  1   0|  0   0|  2   5|  4   5| 15   2|  4      
 TYP   S   S|  S   S|  S   S|  S   S|  S   S|  S   Z|  S   S|  S      
 SNW       1|      1|      0|      0|      1|      0|       |         
                                                                      

 

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2 minutes ago, dendrite said:

Glad we don’t live at thief river falls.


GFSX MOS (MEX)
 KTVF   GFSX MOS GUIDANCE   1/27/2019  1200 UTC                       
 FHR  24  36| 48  60| 72  84| 96 108|120 132|144 156|168 180|192      
      MON 28| TUE 29| WED 30| THU 31| FRI 01| SAT 02| SUN 03|MON CLIMO
 N/X  -7   5|-29 -27|-38 -22|-31  -4| -4  17| 14  26|  6   7|-13 -4 16
 TMP  -2  -1|-23 -29|-33 -25|-24  -6|  3  14| 18  23| 13   3| -8      
 DPT -13 -11|-30 -38|-40 -32|-30 -12| -3   7| 12  15|  8  -2|-13      
 CLD  OV  OV| OV  OV| OV  PC| PC  OV| OV  OV| OV  OV| OV  OV| OV      
 WND  17  12| 12  18| 14   9|  7  11| 13  10| 16  16| 12  12| 15      
 P12  61  33| 13  10|  7   4|  0  20| 23  21| 19  24| 33  18| 17999999
 P24      69|     13|      8|     21|     27|     31|     40|      999
 Q12   1   0|  0   0|  0   0|  0   0|  0   0|  0   0|       |         
 Q24       1|      0|      0|      0|      0|      0|       |         
 T12   0   0|  0   0|  0   0|  0   1|  0   0|  0   1|  0   0|  0      
 T24        |  1    |  0    |  0    |  1    |  0    |  1    |  1      
 PZP   1   1|  0   1|  1   1|  0   1|  2   3|  6   8|  7   1|  2      
 PSN  98  99|100  99| 99  98|100  99| 92  90| 90  74| 67  97| 95      
 PRS   1   0|  0   0|  1   0|  0   0|  2   5|  4   5| 15   2|  4      
 TYP   S   S|  S   S|  S   S|  S   S|  S   S|  S   Z|  S   S|  S      
 SNW       1|      1|      0|      0|      1|      0|       |         
                                                                      

 

Just climo is impressive 

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