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1 hour ago, beavis1729 said:

Thanks for the info on Diamond Pond...good stuff!  Definitely a snowy place, at least based on the 15 years of data. Even in the inferno of 1997-98, they still saw 161".

Their November snowfall is very impressive...gets the seasonal snowpack going right away.

without being able to totally zero in on that location, the area right around it is over 2k feet elevation.

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31 minutes ago, tamarack said:

Thru March 31, this season is in 5th place, but there was 22" on the ground after yesterday and I expect them to easily make it to 3rd.  Would need some serious new snow to challenge the top 2.  Surprisingly, to me, 2007-08 when they broke their snowfall record (by 16"), SDDs are only 7th most.

CAR SDDs
76-77   4,092   Deepest @ 62" in late Feb
54-55   4,039   2nd snowiest winter
68-69   3,749  
97-98   3,560
18-19   3,483   Thru 3/31.  I expect 3,800 or a bit above as final
81-82   3,262   Snowiest April, including 26.3" blizzard
07-08   3,212   Snowiest winter

Interesting that 1976-77 was only CAR's 9th snowiest on record, with 145.9". A very cold winter.

Even though 2018-19 will likely be 3rd in SDD, it will be #1 in consecutive days with 1"+ depth.

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6 minutes ago, SJonesWX said:

without being able to totally zero in on that location, the area right around it is over 2k feet elevation.

Makes sense - probably some orographic/upslope enhancement to allow for their 200"+ seasonal snowfall. :snowman:

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3 hours ago, beavis1729 said:

Thanks for the info on Diamond Pond...good stuff!  Definitely a snowy place, at least based on the 15 years of data. Even in the inferno of 1997-98, they still saw 161".

Their November snowfall is very impressive...gets the seasonal snowpack going right away.

And that 161 came w/o Oct/Nov, while nearby (and 500' lower) 1st CT Lake was getting 34" during those 2 months.  97-98 was warm but wet, and northerly places got lots of snow.  During the bigh NE/PQ ice storm in Jan 1998, Diamond Pond was in the warm layer with 40s RA, but northern Maine had a 5-day snowstorm dumping 19-27" (while central NNE trees were torn limb from limb, SNE had cold RA, and NYC area had 60s.)

Interesting that 1976-77 was only CAR's 9th snowiest on record, with 145.9". A very cold winter.

Sustained cold Nov-Feb was the key, until March - 3/77 is CAR's warmest on record.  That was my first winter keeping daily depth records, and my riverside location in Ft. Kent peaked at 54" after an early March dump.  Even when March warmed (2nd week had a 4-day run of mid 50s) there was little/no rain, and when temps dropped back to near normal, the pack west of Allagash was so solid that for 3+ weeks we could walk anywhere w/o snowshoes.

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16 minutes ago, tamarack said:

And that 161 came w/o Oct/Nov, while nearby (and 500' lower) 1st CT Lake was getting 34" during those 2 months.  97-98 was warm but wet, and northerly places got lots of snow.  During the bigh NE/PQ ice storm in Jan 1998, Diamond Pond was in the warm layer with 40s RA, but northern Maine had a 5-day snowstorm dumping 19-27" (while central NNE trees were torn limb from limb, SNE had cold RA, and NYC area had 60s.)

Interesting that 1976-77 was only CAR's 9th snowiest on record, with 145.9". A very cold winter.

Sustained cold Nov-Feb was the key, until March - 3/77 is CAR's warmest on record.  That was my first winter keeping daily depth records, and my riverside location in Ft. Kent peaked at 54" after an early March dump.  Even when March warmed (2nd week had a 4-day run of mid 50s) there was little/no rain, and when temps dropped back to near normal, the pack west of Allagash was so solid that for 3+ weeks we could walk anywhere w/o snowshoes.

Crazy to think that CAR's SDD record was set in 1976-77, when 3/77 was their all-time warmest.  More evidence that the climate in NNE is so favorable for winter lovers...not just for "events", but for all-encompassing wintry appeal.

IMBY in the far NW suburbs of Chicago, it's a totally different ballgame.  We only average 40" of snow annually, plus retention is horrendous.  We're lucky if we have one full week with double-digit snowpack over the course of a winter.  January normals are 30/15...just cold enough to give us decent wintry conditions when the pattern is good...but unfortunately things can go off the rails quickly.  We're kind of in the middle of what I call the "Midwest winter gradient".  Go 150 miles north, and it's a very solid wintry climate.  Go 150 miles south, and winter is essentially non-existent. 

Thanks for indulging me in the joy of NNE wintry climo. :)

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22 minutes ago, beavis1729 said:

Crazy to think that CAR's SDD record was set in 1976-77, when 3/77 was their all-time warmest.  More evidence that the climate in NNE is so favorable for winter lovers...not just for "events", but for all-encompassing wintry appeal.

IMBY in the far NW suburbs of Chicago, it's a totally different ballgame.  We only average 40" of snow annually, plus retention is horrendous.  We're lucky if we have one full week with double-digit snowpack over the course of a winter.  January normals are 30/15...just cold enough to give us decent wintry conditions when the pattern is good...but unfortunately things can go off the rails quickly.  We're kind of in the middle of what I call the "Midwest winter gradient".  Go 150 miles north, and it's a very solid wintry climate.  Go 150 miles south, and winter is essentially non-existent. 

Thanks for indulging me in the joy of NNE wintry climo. :)

Good stuff in this thread. 

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1.5 inches today.  April total is now higher than December's.

Sign of Spring- My FEDCO pear tree order arrived. If only there wasn't a two foot thick glacier where I want to plant them.

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Water levels seemed high over the past few days...went to BTV and stuff along RT 100 and then the Winooski River were all looking pretty high. 

Long term, a bigger QPF event looks possible next Sun/Mon.  So far the lower elevations have melted pretty well without any real hydro issues.

 We`ll have to keep an eye on any hydro concerns with a warming temperatures,
decent QPF and a ripe snowpack (Mt Mansfield still boasts an impressive 116").

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Event totals: 0.7” Snow/0.52” L.E.

 

Details from the 11:00 P.M. Waterbury observations:

New Snow: 0.3 inches

New Liquid: 0.04 inches

Snow/Water Ratio: 7.5

Snow Density: 13.3% H2O

Temperature: 32.4 F

Sky:  Light Snow (2 to 4 mm flakes)

Snow at the stake: 6.0 inches

 

Details from the 6:00 A.M. Waterbury observations:

New Snow: 0.4 inches

New Liquid: 0.03 inches

Snow/Water Ratio: 13.3

Snow Density: 7.5% H2O

Temperature: 29.1 F

Sky:  Light Snow (1 to 2 mm flakes)

Snow at the stake: 6.0 inches

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.6" last night in what should be the final snowfall of the season here in South Portland.  That makes for 65.9" on the season.

25 events

Largest of 6.8" on 1/20

Nov - 4 events  | 14.4"

Dec - 2 events  |  6.5"

Jan - 7 events  |  20.2"

Feb - 6 events  |  11.1"

Mar - 4 events  |  10.9"

Apr - 2 events  |  2.9"

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12 hours ago, klw said:

1.5 inches today.  April total is now higher than December's.

Sign of Spring- My FEDCO pear tree order arrived. If only there wasn't a two foot thick glacier where I want to plant them.

Same here, by 0.2".  3.5" yesterday included 3" 4:40-6:15 PM, with 1.7" in the final 35 minutes of that period, moist 12:1 snowball stuff.

 

 

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50 hours now of below freezing temperature. Yesterday's snowfall brought me to 100 in and that may be it for the season. Landscapers around here are not happy many of them did not get their fall clean ups done in time before the early November snow came and now it's late in the season with a snow cover and lots of rain coming up. At least they made a ton of money plowing this winter

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2 hours ago, STILL N OF PIKE said:

No spring thread ? 

 

Too early.   In NNE, we have the following seasons:

Winter:  Dec 1 to April 1,

Mud:     April 1 to May 15

Spring:  May 15 to July 12

Summer: July 12

Where did summer go:  July 13 to Sept 1

Leaves:   Sept 1 to Nov 1

Careful in the Woods:  Nov 1 to Dec 1

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On 4/9/2019 at 10:45 AM, backedgeapproaching said:

2200ft-Diamond Pond COOP---as the others stated- somewhat limited data set.

Yeah it sucks we had to shutter so many coops over the last few years, but we already have more than most offices and the order was to trim our numbers. While they are volunteers, the equipment and maintenance cost money, so that's the big driver. And we have quite a few coops in that area already, so they got the ax (in reality they just weren't replaced when the previous observer quit). It's just unfortunate that there are large differences in QPF/snowfall over short distances in that area.

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2 hours ago, Ginx snewx said:

Neat

 

Roger used to post here occasionally as Fujiwara effect or something like that  

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I kept an eye on the rivers on my drive up to Carrabassett yesterday. There is a lot of snow on ground in western maine but the rivers don't seem to bad. I paid attention to the Carrabassett river - south of Kingfield, it is ice free. just beyond (west) Kingfield still clogged and covered in ice. I took a wrong turn in Jay and ended up driving alongside the androscoggin (east side) for some time and it too didn't seem bad.

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13 hours ago, OceanStWx said:

Yeah it sucks we had to shutter so many coops over the last few years, but we already have more than most offices and the order was to trim our numbers. While they are volunteers, the equipment and maintenance cost money, so that's the big driver. And we have quite a few coops in that area already, so they got the ax (in reality they just weren't replaced when the previous observer quit). It's just unfortunate that there are large differences in QPF/snowfall over short distances in that area.

Hope there's enough $$ to replace the observer in Farmington - be really sad to cut off a 125-year record that's 99%+ complete (though snow depth is dodgey or absent prior to the current observer's tenure.)  That observer is in his mid-80s, I think.  Not many sites in Maine have solid records of 100+ years; probably could count them on my fingers. 

I kept an eye on the rivers on my drive up to Carrabassett yesterday. There is a lot of snow on ground in western maine but the rivers don't seem to bad. I paid attention to the Carrabassett river - south of Kingfield, it is ice free. just beyond (west) Kingfield still clogged and covered in ice. I took a wrong turn in Jay and ended up driving alongside the androscoggin (east side) for some time and it too didn't seem bad.

No surprise, as those watersheds have barely gotten above 50 this spring, so the pack has settled more than melted, and the last rain of any significance was 3 weeks ago.  The "best" is yet to come.  I'd be surprised if the riverside-west parking lots in Augusta are usable Tuesday morning.

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41 minutes ago, wxeyeNH said:

A friend of mine had this beautiful Bobcat walk through his yard yesterday.  Nice shot.

bobcat.jpg

I saw a similar looking one in Ware but by the time I fumbled around with my phone he took off, they're healthy looking this year.

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Where was that 'tiger' spotted. I want to send a picture to my niece. She'll never go out the house at our family camp in Meredith if she knows that's lurking in the vicinity!

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Skiing was epic today! Resort closes tomorrow, but I'm assuming today will be my last day (at least at Bretton Woods). 

The glades STILL skied well. They've been open non stop since before Thanksgiving. That's rather remarkable. 

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3 hours ago, alex said:

Skiing was epic today! Resort closes tomorrow, but I'm assuming today will be my last day (at least at Bretton Woods). 

The glades STILL skied well. They've been open non stop since before Thanksgiving. That's rather remarkable. 

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Always great to go out on top.

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7 hours ago, alex said:

Skiing was epic today! Resort closes tomorrow, but I'm assuming today will be my last day (at least at Bretton Woods). 

The glades STILL skied well. They've been open non stop since before Thanksgiving. That's rather remarkable. 

 

Nice dude!  Your kids have no idea how lucky they will be to have a ski area for a neighbor.

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