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33 minutes ago, Typhoon Tip said:

right - hence the usage of "on record" ... meaning, the pattern would/should/could have supported circumstance that pushed that upper envelope of what is 'thought' to be supported around here.

i disagree that the week in question was the most hottest and humid this region can support.  there is no upper ridged ceiling/boundary on such matters - not in the business of weather.  if we want to say that history suggests there are difficulties in getting there - i'd hands down agree.  but, there's room to push 'records'  and the pattern supported doing so ... yet failed. 

i'm not attempting to discredit how warm it got - sure.  woof.  ...just to re-iterate: it left points on the field.  

It really can't support temps much hotter than 96/75 around here. We don't have the 850 temps, EML capping, and solar insolation to support prolonged temps like that. 

96/75 being T/Td

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1 hour ago, ORH_wxman said:

 

You have to remember sometimes that Scooter lives in the tropics of SNE...he gets parrots at his bird feeders.

You are wiping with the rest of us at 200' ASL. 

 

PF, obviously it's relative at 1500'.  But that's a warm look for the general region. 

 

Lots of wiping today.

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Boston record max temps have 1895 with three 94 degrees or higher days from the 21st to 23rd...hottest of the year...90 on 10/7/1963 is very impressive...

9/10 95 in 1931 94 in 1897 94 in 1884
9/11 99 in 1983 97 in 2013 95 in 1931
9/12 93 in 1961 91 in 2005 90 in 1951
9/13 93 in 1957 90 in 1952 90 in 1948
9/14 92 in 1931 92 in 1915 91 in 1903
9/15 94 in 1915 91 in 1993 90 in 1939+
9/16 96 in 1939 94 in 1941 94 in 1915
9/17 91 in 1915 89 in 2015 89 in 1991
9/18 90 in 1955 90 in 1906 90 in 1891
9/19 92 in 1983 88 in 1946 88 in 1882
9/20 97 in 1983 88 in 1985 87 in 1882
9/21 94 in 1895 90 in 1914 88 in 1978+
9/22 94 in 1895 92 in 1931 91 in 1970
9/23 96 in 1895 94 in 1914 92 in 1970
9/24 90 in 1959 87 in 1914 85 in 1984
9/25 89 in 1926 88 in 2010 88 in 2007+
9/26 95 in 1881 93 in 2007 89 in 1958
9/27 86 in 1998 86 in 1933 86 in 1916
9/28 90 in 1881 90 in 1873 87 in 2014
9/29 88 in 1952 87 in 1945 84 in 2015+
9/30 87 in 1986 85 in 1959 83 in 1927+
10/1 90 in 1881 89 in 1927 86 in 1954+
10/2 88 in 1954 86 in 1971 85 in 2002+
10/3 85 in 1922 84 in 1950 83 in 1914+
10/4 86 in 2007 85 in 1983 85 in 1959+
10/5 87 in 1922 85 in 1910 84 in 1946+
10/6 86 in 1990 86 in 1946 85 in 1963+
10/7 90 in 1963 86 in 1946 86 in 1944+
10/8 88 in 1879 84 in 1916 83 in 1882
10/9 87 in 2011 82 in 1942 81 in 1961+
10/10 87 in 1939 86 in 1949 85 in 2011
10/11 82 in 1955 81 in 1954 81 in 1914
10/12 90 in 1954 88 in 1928 83 in 1949+
10/13 87 in 1930 86 in 1954 83 in 1995
10/14 81 in 1923 80 in 2000 79 in 1995+
10/15 86 in 1897 81 in 2014 80 in 1947
10/16 88 in 1897 87 in 1956 83 in 1963+
10/17 89 in 1947 87 in 1938 82 in 1968
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10 minutes ago, CoastalWx said:

It really can't support temps much hotter than 96/75 around here. We don't have the 850 temps, EML capping, and solar insolation to support prolonged temps like that. 

96/75 being T/Td

oh, i see - you were speaking specifically to t and td combinations. 

yeah, but ... similar latitudes in out west can do it.  

i'm not willing to say that it can't - in the absolute sense of it - but would agree there are limitations that help prevent it. 

i'd argue the limitations aren't insolation/parameterical in general, tho; and more having to do with base-line PNAP orientations with the patterns not supporting putting ridges (in the longer term mean) in the right position for long enough and at potency to do it.   Chicago was 99/80 in the 1995 heat wave.  interesting.  

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18 minutes ago, CoastalWx said:

You are wiping with the rest of us at 200' ASL. 

 

PF, obviously it's relative at 1500'.  But that's a warm look for the general region. 

 

Lots of wiping today.

Yeah I should say I'm talking about home at 750ft or the MVL ASOS most of the time when talking about this stuff and departures.  I'll almost always specify the office or mountain if talking about there.  It certainly is relative at 1500ft.

I just think it's going to be a lot of 70s coming up.

Currently MVL is 77/61 in town...warm but a Td of 61 now almost feels dry where in May or June that's a swamp.  It's quite nice outside with that spread and TDs should be mid-50s later this afternoon.  Stepping out to 77/61 with a north breeze is pretty comfortable.

 

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14 minutes ago, Typhoon Tip said:

oh, i see - you were speaking specifically to t and td combinations. 

yeah, but ... similar latitudes in out west can do it.  

i'm not willing to say that it can't - in the absolute sense of it - but would agree there are limitations that help prevent it. 

i'd argue the limitations aren't insolation/parameterical in general, tho; and more having to do with base-line PNAP orientations with the patterns not supporting putting ridges (in the longer term mean) in the right position for long enough and at potency to do it.   Chicago was 99/80 in the 1995 heat wave.  interesting.  

I would say Chicago benefits from that better capping. Better chance to pressure cook, and thank you Iowa for that evapotranspiration! 

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55 minutes ago, Damage In Tolland said:

Because he radiates it came in below in his yard. Any non bigtime radiators were above 

How many times does someone need to explain to you that radiator or non-radiator it doesn't matter.  It's all relative to normal.  Radiating doesn't have anything to do with that anomaly.  If I radiated in June, I would radiate every other June so that gets factored into the average/normal.  Someone posted a map showing that anomaly across northeastern CT...including hill tops a lot higher than your 975' mound.

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19 minutes ago, dendrite said:

88/68 at CON for noon. 85/66 at mi casa.

Damn...seems to be a trend this summer of us up here not feeling the brunt of it.  Maybe that's where my perception is coming from.

Even torch BTV is 82/61.  Definitely a good deal above normal but yeah folks are roasting down south.

 

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6 minutes ago, CoastalWx said:

I would say Chicago benefits from that better capping. Better chance to pressure cook, and thank you Iowa for that evapotranspiration! 

we're probably talking about one in the same thing anywho - 

i mean let's think about it... those 'capping' and or thermal sigmas etc... they are all going to be inexorably linked to the PNAP biases in time. 

it's probably like everything, it's a matter of time.  maybe 98/80 happens there once every 50 years, but every 500 in Boston - ...just as an example. 

 

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4 minutes ago, MetHerb said:

How many times does someone need to explain to you that radiator or non-radiator it doesn't matter.  It's all relative to normal.  Radiating doesn't have anything to do with that anomaly.  If I radiated in June, I would radiate every other June so that gets factored into the average/normal.  Someone posted a map showing that anomaly across northeastern CT...including hill tops a lot higher than your 975' mound.

Unless you're radiating more than normal. A drier summer would help you with that versus a hilltop that stays mixed. Throw in a few more wet systems each month of the summer and ORH gets more of those days where their mins are cooler than you.

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2 minutes ago, powderfreak said:

Damn...seems to be a trend this summer of us up here not feeling the brunt of it.

Even torch BTV is 82/61.  Definitely a good deal above normal but yeah folks are roasting down south.

 

Yeah...the theme continues. 86.6F here now and CON has tickled 32C. 90F is pretty much inevitable despite the MAV never touching it over the past few days.

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55 minutes ago, MetHerb said:

How many times does someone need to explain to you that radiator or non-radiator it doesn't matter.  It's all relative to normal.  Radiating doesn't have anything to do with that anomaly.  If I radiated in June, I would radiate every other June so that gets factored into the average/normal.  Someone posted a map showing that anomaly across northeastern CT...including hill tops a lot higher than your 975' mound.

It's only YBY that was BN in June..And most of it was the cool nights where you were 10-15 cooler than the tops

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