Stormlover74 Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 No, I'm not sure you're getting my point. Let's go back to the winter of 2010-2011 which many here regard as the best of all time in this area. Then look at 2011-2012. Still a good winter for many but not as good. The winter of 2012-2013 was unbearable here because people had become so accustomed to regular storm threats and KU's always on the horizon that a normal winter was no longer normal. But you're saying 2013-14 was not a great winter because it didn't have a Blizzard of 96 or PDII type storm, which are very rare storms. So if you're saying you need one like that in order to qualify as a great winter despite total snowfall being well above normal then you are also spoiled by previous winters. 2011-12 was not a good winter for anyone in this area... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian5671 Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 No, I'm not sure you're getting my point. Let's go back to the winter of 2010-2011 which many here regard as the best of all time in this area. Then look at 2011-2012. Still a good winter for many but not as good. The winter of 2012-2013 was unbearable here because people had become so accustomed to regular storm threats and KU's always on the horizon that a normal winter was no longer normal. you have 11-12 and 12-13 mixed up. 11-12 sucked. And yes, the whining was unbearable b/c folks expect 50 inches a year after years like 02-03, 09-10, 10-11 etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnoSki14 Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 No, I'm not sure you're getting my point. Let's go back to the winter of 2010-2011 which many here regard as the best of all time in this area. Then look at 2011-2012. Still a good winter for many but not as good. The winter of 2012-2013 was unbearable here because people had become so accustomed to regular storm threats and KU's always on the horizon that a normal winter was no longer normal. I'm sorry but did you just say 2011-2012 was still good or am I misinterpreting what you mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsentropicLift Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 But you're saying 2013-14 was not a great winter because it didn't have a Blizzard of 96 or PDII type storm, which are very rare storms. So if you're saying you need one like that in order to qualify as a great winter despite total snowfall being well above normal then you are also spoiled by previous winters. 2011-12 was not a good winter for anyone in this area... I did have my winters mixed up a little because 2011 was such a good winter on the front end but obviously not on the back end. And no it doesn't have to be a 96' esque storm to be considered great, but I never even received a snowfall lasting more than 12 hours. We had that one event that dumped in the morning. Picked up 11" in three hours but after that it quit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jm1220 Posted June 12, 2014 Author Share Posted June 12, 2014 Last winter was a GREAT winter by many metrics. Almost EVERYONE on this board finished with a top 10 seasonal average and top 10 out of 150 years of record keeping is GREAT when you live at 40- 70 . Just look at what normal is .... Most doubled there yearly average Most finished in the top 10 in the record books Nov Jan Feb March , were all COLDER than normal . And if it didn`t hit 72 on Dec 22, adding 1 full degree onto the average we would have been normal in most areas for DEC too . Either people`s idea of what normal is is skewed or a winter without a 2 foot snowstorm gets discarded in ones mind . There were winters that were colder and with more snowfall , with bigger single events and they are considered great as well . But the amount of continued cold shots and nickel and dime events added up to a top 10 year . If you think last year was just " good " . you have that right , but if you ask me , you are missing what TRUE normal is in you`re area . I had 55 inches, but the way we got there was nailbiting every time. The storms before 2/13 were all supposed to be suppressed or very weak before 48 hours out, 2/13 was a huge hit for most but also locally disappointing where the 925mb warm nose managed to ruin the event, and thereafter everything was mainly suppressed. It was good that we surprised beneficially much of the time but not one flake came "easily". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnoSki14 Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 That morning heavy snow burst for a few hours was insane, it truly felt like a heavy lake effect snow band and I always wondered how they could pick up that much snow that quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormlover74 Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 I had 55 inches, but the way we got there was nailbiting every time. The storms before 2/13 were all supposed to be suppressed or very weak before 48 hours out, 2/13 was a huge hit for most but also locally disappointing where the 925mb warm nose managed to ruin the event, and thereafter everything was mainly suppressed. It was good that we surprised beneficially much of the time but not one flake came "easily". The bolded part is all that matters. More than double average qualifies as a great winter in my book. If you had 55" in 1991 and didn't say it was a great winter after the previous decade people would have thought you were insane. We're spoiled by the last 20 years and since 2000 in particular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PB GFI Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 The bolded part is all that matters. More than double average qualifies as a great winter in my book. If you had 55" in 1991 and didn't say it was a great winter after the previous decade people would have thought you were insane. We're spoiled by the last 20 years and since 2000 in particular. Agree , in 145 years of record keeping it looks like 2013- 2014 KNYC beat 136 of them . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnoSki14 Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 We've had a lot of all or nothing winters as well and the last couple of winters were more spread out especially last winter. However instead of a lot of nickel events, they were all dimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian5671 Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 Agree , in 145 years of record keeping it looks like 2013- 2014 KNYC beat 136 of them . too bad we couldn't get one more event in March though, that would have rocked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PB GFI Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 too bad we couldn't get one more event in March though, that would have rocked. Yeh we got blanked in March . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsentropicLift Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 The bolded part is all that matters. More than double average qualifies as a great winter in my book. If you had 55" in 1991 and didn't say it was a great winter after the previous decade people would have thought you were insane. We're spoiled by the last 20 years and since 2000 in particular. See I disagree. If I had only received 3 events all last winter but they were all 20" events my perception would be much better than if I had received 15 storms totaling 60". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian5671 Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 See I disagree. If I had only received 3 events all last winter but they were all 20" events my perception would be much better than if I had received 15 storms totaling 60". It's really a matter of perspective, some folks want 2 or 3 big bombs where as others prefer 8-10 moderate storms...end result is the same 60 inches, but how we get there is very different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsentropicLift Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 It's really a matter of perspective, some folks want 2 or 3 big bombs where as others prefer 8-10 moderate storms...end result is the same 60 inches, but how we get there is very different. I'll take quality over quantity and I'll always be praying for that 72 hour over running event followed by coastal that never pans out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jm1220 Posted June 12, 2014 Author Share Posted June 12, 2014 It's really a matter of perspective, some folks want 2 or 3 big bombs where as others prefer 8-10 moderate storms...end result is the same 60 inches, but how we get there is very different. The way we did it is more typical of a winter in the far interior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isotherm Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 Exactly, people down in Monmouth County were the jackpot for last winter in our greater region. At least a few storms hit that area hard while places north of I-80 saw little or nothing. I disagree on us being the jackpot. The highest numbers, albeit by a slight amount, were in NW NJ, around 75" total. Also, relative to normal, the PHL local area was a snowfall maximum. Monmouth County did very well, but NNJ did equally well snowfall wise. Additionally, in terms of snowpack, NNJ had a longer duration of snow on the ground than here. My longest duration snow cover was from Jan 20th to Feb 21st. Many areas in NNJ had snow on the ground from early January through mid March. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PB GFI Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 I disagree on us being the jackpot. The highest numbers, albeit by a slight amount, were in NW NJ, around 75" total. Also, relative to normal, the PHL local area was a snowfall maximum. Monmouth County did very well, but NNJ did equally well snowfall wise. Additionally, in terms of snowpack, NNJ had a longer duration of snow on the ground than here. My longest duration snow cover was from Jan 20th to Feb 21st. Many areas in NNJ had snow on the ground from early January through mid March. I`m just not sure that when we total it all up and most places finished in the top 8 or so in snowfall in 14 plus decades of record keeping how anyone can insist that doesn't constitute great . But hey , its ones right . I just wish some of you younger guys were around in the 80`s , Unicorns were more common than snow maps like these . Good work Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 I'll take quality over quantity and I'll always be praying for that 72 hour over running event followed by coastal that never pans out. GGEM and GFS showed that happening for the storm in March Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnoSki14 Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 I think I'm gonna ignore any winter talk until at least September. No sense discussing it before the summer solstice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowshack Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/12/world/asia/north-korea-kim-weather/index.html?hpt=hp_t3 Id like to see Kim Jong Un try this with DT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 Happy ST Anthony Day I think I'm gonna ignore any winter talk until at least September. No sense discussing it before the summer solstice. Party pooper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 The School Safety Agent at the school where my mom works ( he was also my dad's friend ) planted these flowers in honor of my dad. How nice. He was loved by many. RIP =( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rclab Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 The School Safety Agent at the school where my mom works ( he was also my dad's friend ) planted these flowers in honor of my dad. How nice. He was loved by many. RIP =( A wonderful man remembered by many with a celebration of life. .......... No greater wealth. .......... No greater legacy We should all do as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 Sticky balls weather Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormlover74 Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 Sun's out, dewpoint of 70. If we dont get some good storms today we never will Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superstorm93 Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 Sticky balls weather Swamp Ass Watch has been issued This is a particularly disgusting situation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ag3 Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 Sun's out, dewpoint of 70. If we dont get some good storms today we never will Looking in PA, it's mostly just heavy rain downpours. Nothing severe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormlover74 Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 Looking in PA, it's mostly just heavy rain downpours. Nothing severe. That's why I said good storms. I never expect severe. Lightning thunder heavy rain.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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