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March 2nd/3rd Winter Storm Potential


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LOL at the manic nature of this thread.

 

The PV is strong but it's a March storm and I keep thinking back to Will's comments yesterday about it being later in the season and convection being stronger down South and not handled well by models.  With the players just entering the field this could very well swing the other direction tomorrow. Either way this could very well end up another situation where things still aren't completely clear saturday morning.  I feel like much of SNE is getting plowable snow monday.

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LOL at the manic nature of this thread.

 

The PV is strong but it's a March storm and I keep thinking back to Will's comments yesterday about it being later in the season and convection being stronger down South and not handled well by models.  With the players just entering the field this could very well swing the other direction tomorrow. Either way this could very well end up another situation where things still aren't completely clear saturday morning.  I feel like much of SNE is getting plowable snow monday.

 

We've been preaching that for a couple of days. However, you have to respect that vortex too...that doesn't care what month it is. 

 

Maybe we will go down in flames, but I'm not completely on board with a suppressed euro op based on those reasons...but I would be a horrible meteorologist if I just ignored that big polar pig to our NW.  My feeling is that the next 48 hrs tickle north. I think Will and perhaps Ryan agree. 

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It's fukked up. You give an objective analysis and you're accused of being a snow watcher vs snow lover. Sometimes the bb just isn't worth precious time.

You don't truly love snow unless you discuss the snowiest outcome possible. Mother Nature is always watching too...she'll penalize you for those negative thoughts.

It's all just a joke though...we bust balls.

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We've been preaching that for a couple of days. However, you have to respect that vortex too...that doesn't care what month it is.

Maybe we will go down in flames, but I'm not completely on board with a suppressed euro op based on those reasons...but I would be a horrible meteorologist if I just ignored that big polar pig to our NW. My feeling is that the next 48 hrs tickle north. I think Will and perhaps Ryan agree.

This met sure agrees
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We've been preaching that for a couple of days. However, you have to respect that vortex too...that doesn't care what month it is. 

 

Maybe we will go down in flames, but I'm not completely on board with a suppressed euro op based on those reasons...but I would be a horrible meteorologist if I just ignored that big polar pig to our NW.  My feeling is that the next 48 hrs tickle north. I think Will and perhaps Ryan agree. 

 

Agreed - I think it's definitely possible but this synoptic setup is pretty messy. Monster meat grinder to the north and a huge closed low in the Pacific waiting to come ashore. 

 

actually Chris  Ocean State Weather talked about yesterday, you might have missed that class in school, beer does that.

You want weenie, feast your eyes on this big boy

 

No, I didn't miss that class actually. Sea salt particles have nothing to do with getting "good ratios" and to be honest mean nothing in a case like this when you have a saturated column from 200 hpa to the ground. The sea salt nuclei allows ice crystals to form at relatively high temperatures. In many parts of the country having lift and saturation with a cloud no colder than -4C will give you freezing drizzle. Along the coast we have a bit more wiggle room and we can get heterogeneous nucleation at somewhat warmer temperatures. 

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Hmm...looks like we close the books on this one north of the pike...or not. Has the Pacific energy been perfectly sampled? The arctic energy, yet? And does everyone do an about face if the models tick north tomorrow? This has been the story of almost the entire winter...nail biting almost to the end!

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The whole energy sampled argument is overrated to a point. We have great remote sensing and reports from aircraft to substitute for adequate data. I think the sampling issue is real to a point because nothing substitutes for good, hard data....but it's not going to miraculously cause a snowstorm. We've heard that argument before and the results we are hoping for didn't happen.

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Who devised that map?

Bufkit shows the same  Jerry, cold airmass 

140303/1200Z  90  35010KT  15.0F  SNOW   16:1| 1.4|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.084   16:1|  1.5|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.10  100|  0|  0
140303/1500Z  93  36010KT  16.6F  SNOW   11:1| 0.8|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.074   14:1|  2.3|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.17  100|  0|  0
140303/1800Z  96  01011KT  18.4F  SNOW   11:1| 0.9|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.082   13:1|  3.2|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.25  100|  0|  0
----------------------------------------------+----++-----+-------------++--------------++-------------++-----------+---+---
140303/2100Z  99  02012KT  18.9F  SNOW   12:1| 1.1|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.091   12:1|  4.3|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.34  100|  0|  0
140304/0000Z 102  02011KT  18.8F  SNOW   11:1| 1.1|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.099   12:1|  5.3|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.44  100|  0|  0
140304/0300Z 105  02012KT  18.4F  SNOW   13:1| 1.3|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.098   12:1|  6.6|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.54  100|  0|  0
140304/0600Z 108  01013KT  17.3F  SNOW   14:1| 0.5|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.038   12:1|  7.2|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.58  100|  0|  0
----------------------------------------------+----++-----+-------------++--------------++-------------++-----------+---+---
140304/0900Z 111  01014KT  15.5F  SNOW   19:1| 0.4|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.020   13:1|  7.6|| 0.00|| 0.00|| 0.60  100|  0|  0 

Jerry gives you 7.6

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Ryan, good write up. To others, look at all the crap we have to evaluate and monitor lol. Lots of moving parts.

 

Thanks Scooter. There's really not much else to say now other than some snow is a good bet and a warning event is possible but at this point less than a 50/50 proposition. Lots to figure out with this one... but I do think there's an "upper bound" for this storm. Probably 10" or 12" in most areas. 

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Thanks Scooter. There's really not much else to say now other than some snow is a good bet and a warning event is possible but at this point less than a 50/50 proposition. Lots to figure out with this one... but I do think there's an "upper bound" for this storm. Probably 10" or 12" in most areas.

Really not much more you can say at this point. Hopefully the 00z runs stabilize a bit.

One other idea I sort of entertained is if we get more of a front end thump later Sunday Night and Monday and then a second wave is the one that effects NJ on south. The 18z GEFS almost hunt at this.

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Really not much more you can say at this point. Hopefully the 00z runs stabilize a bit.

One other idea I sort of entertained is if we get more of a front end thump later Sunday Night and Monday and then a second wave is the one that effects NJ on south. The 18z GEFS almost hunt at this.

 

Yeah I could see that there seems to be some uncertainty as to which wave delivers. 

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