NeffsvilleWx Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 TOR watch down here in Maryland until 1700. Wasn't expecting to see that pop up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sauss06 Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 Is it raining as hard as what radar is suggesting? hard to see far out window with the fog but doesnt appear to be too heavy by the sound on the roof, it's raining hard. Trying to get more info, but they dispatched our tech rescue operations team to a building collapse with Entrapment in Adams County (now holding in station). not sure if its weather related or not. I had seen reports on FB that down near the Pa/Md line was having some big winds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sauss06 Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 Had a brief period of heavy rain about 30 minutes ago. Now just light. Looking at the Wundermap temps you almost get the impression that the approaching front is occluding. I'm not so sure we see the spike to mid 50's here later on. Temps in western PA are all in the 30's. Still 37 degrees here. Washington, DC 67 degrees, Norfolk 71. Temps along M-D line no higher than mid 40's. Yesterday was the first day I began to see the reemergence of the "ice layer". I still have at least 6" sitting on top of it right now. Even if we have 50's with sun tomorrow I doubt that ice layer melts much, if any. This winter really has acted a lot like '93-'94 in many ways. Back then I'm pretty sure we had snow cover well into March. I know the year earlier after the Superstorm we kept our cover until the end of March which was 2 1/2 weeks after the storm. During the final week there were a couple of single-digit lows from radiational cooling. Maybe someone can comment on when was the most recent winter in the CPA region (including LSV) that had persistent snow cover well into March? I think it's been quite a while. 02-03 we had a 4" snow in April. And what year did we have a 9-10" snowfall on St. Paddys day? edit- i just looked. March 7 we had 4", March 16th 9.5". 2007 if my memory serves me right though i warmed up right after and only lasted a week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voyager Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 02-03 we had a 4" snow in April. And what year did we have a 9-10" snowfall on St. Paddys day? I think the St. Patrick's Day snow was in 2007. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djr5001 Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 Had a brief period of heavy rain about 30 minutes ago. Now just light. Looking at the Wundermap temps you almost get the impression that the approaching front is occluding. I'm not so sure we see the spike to mid 50's here later on. Temps in western PA are all in the 30's. Still 37 degrees here. Washington, DC 67 degrees, Norfolk 71. Temps along M-D line no higher than mid 40's. Yesterday was the first day I began to see the reemergence of the "ice layer". I still have at least 6" sitting on top of it right now. Even if we have 50's with sun tomorrow I doubt that ice layer melts much, if any. This winter really has acted a lot like '93-'94 in many ways. Back then I'm pretty sure we had snow cover well into March. I know the year earlier after the Superstorm we kept our cover until the end of March which was 2 1/2 weeks after the storm. During the final week there were a couple of single-digit lows from radiational cooling. Maybe someone can comment on when was the most recent winter in the CPA region (including LSV) that had persistent snow cover well into March? I think it's been quite a while. Feb-March 2003 had 30 straight days with snow cover in Harrisburg edit: carried over from Feb through the first 8 days of March yes 2007 was the 9-10" snow on St. Patty's Day but melted in 3-4 days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sauss06 Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 Feb-March 2003 had 30 straight days with snow cover in Harrisburg edit: carried over from Feb through the first 8 days of March yes 2007 was the 9-10" snow on St. Patty's Day but melted in 3-4 days Thanks, thats what i thought, my notes didn't reflect that, but thats what my memory was telling me it melted quick. I actually think the next day, Saturday warmed up pretty good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick G Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 In 93 we had a record on 90 straight days with a least a half inch of snow on the ground. 90 days...we had stacks of snow that were 5 feet high. It became so bad that people were using bob cats to clear spots for parking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canderson Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 I can't see the river from my office. I'm across the street from the thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Itstrainingtime Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 April 7th 1982 I got almost 10" of wind driven snow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superstorm Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 Man, looking at the models this pattern is locked and loaded. Parade of vorts. It's a guessing game on which ones amplify. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eskimo Joe Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 TOR watch down here in Maryland until 1700. Wasn't expecting to see that pop up. Clearly a sign of the end times. I wouldn't be surprised if judgement occurs at any moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djr5001 Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 a few tornado warnings up in Maryland/Virginia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voyager Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 Ok, Harrisburg guys, how much rain did you get from the line? Here, it broke up just as it approached the area, basically being split apart by I-81. So far only 0.11". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wxmeddler Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 45/45 Thunder, fog , 6" of Snow on the Ground. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canderson Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 Ok, Harrisburg guys, how much rain did you get from the line? Here, it broke up just as it approached the area, basically being split apart by I-81. So far only 0.11". I'm not anywhere near a gauge, but it wasn't that much. It rained hard for a 5 or so minutes. If I were to guess I'd say .2". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voyager Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 I'm not anywhere near a gauge, but it wasn't that much. It rained hard for a 5 or so minutes. If I were to guess I'd say .2". Ah, I see. So it's bark was worse than it's bite. It looked pretty menacing on some of the radars I was looking at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarlislePaWx Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 Wundermap temps confirm the warm front did not officially make it this far north. Occluded front passed through here last hour with a wind shift to the West from Northeast. Temps above 50 are now all well east and south of MDT. Looks like temps hover in the mid 40's before beginning slow drop later today. Temp here holding around 42 with dew point beginning to decline. Looks like precip from the front ranged from 0.1" to 0.2" around here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NortheastPAWx Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 Already down to 38 at Walker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexP Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 The cold air just does not want to give up this winter. I think just about every forecast thaw has ended up underperforming, at least in the Harrisburg area. We didn't even get close to sniffing 50 today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djr5001 Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 Wundermap temps confirm the warm front did not officially make it this far north. Occluded front passed through here last hour with a wind shift to the West from Northeast. Temps above 50 are now all well east and south of MDT. Looks like temps hover in the mid 40's before beginning slow drop later today. Temp here holding around 42 with dew point beginning to decline. Looks like precip from the front ranged from 0.1" to 0.2" around here. Temps in western PA have already rebounded roughly 6-7 degrees with the clearing skies after the drop right behind the front Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cashtown_Coop Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 0.44" from today's rain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wmsptwx Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 SVR Thunderstorms just to our NW here in Daytona. Should be interesting, although it's wiped out practice and likely at least will delay the Truck Series race. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick G Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 Anyone here see EPAWA'S comments on the tornado watches? Take a look at their Facebook page. They feel the warnings are not justified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canderson Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 See lots of ground in my side garden and out from I have nearly a foot of bare ground around the sidewalks / my yard. The big snow pile out front that was 4' last weekend is about 6" today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick G Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 From the EPA facebook page: ***NEW TORNADO WATCH*** extended into portions of extreme southeastern PA including the Philadelphia metro area and southern New Jersey. This is only a watch which means conditions are favorable but not imminent.... We still think that the... ground temperatures are too cold combined with the snowpack and believe that the northern extent of this watch is a little bit too far north, but this is the official advisory so we are just passing it along.... counties/areas that are under the watch are in the blue hashed areas in the iNWS graphic. I get concerned when people like this tell people that the warning or watch isn't really important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeffsvilleWx Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 From the EPA facebook page: ***NEW TORNADO WATCH*** extended into portions of extreme southeastern PA including the Philadelphia metro area and southern New Jersey. This is only a watch which means conditions are favorable but not imminent.... We still think that the... ground temperatures are too cold combined with the snowpack and believe that the northern extent of this watch is a little bit too far north, but this is the official advisory so we are just passing it along.... counties/areas that are under the watch are in the blue hashed areas in the iNWS graphic. Irresponsible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieOber Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 From the EPA facebook page: ***NEW TORNADO WATCH*** extended into portions of extreme southeastern PA including the Philadelphia metro area and southern New Jersey. This is only a watch which means conditions are favorable but not imminent.... We still think that the... ground temperatures are too cold combined with the snowpack and believe that the northern extent of this watch is a little bit too far north, but this is the official advisory so we are just passing it along.... counties/areas that are under the watch are in the blue hashed areas in the iNWS graphic. I get concerned when people like this tell people that the warning or watch isn't really important. Any deaths that would result from people listening to them....there's a phrase for that: "thinning the herd" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djr5001 Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 From the EPA facebook page: ***NEW TORNADO WATCH*** extended into portions of extreme southeastern PA including the Philadelphia metro area and southern New Jersey. This is only a watch which means conditions are favorable but not imminent.... We still think that the... ground temperatures are too cold combined with the snowpack and believe that the northern extent of this watch is a little bit too far north, but this is the official advisory so we are just passing it along.... counties/areas that are under the watch are in the blue hashed areas in the iNWS graphic. I get concerned when people like this tell people that the warning or watch isn't really important. hahaha it hit 60 in philly today... the instability was there because there were several rotation signatures on radar with the line that triggered that watch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeffsvilleWx Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 I'm half tempted to ask them how they would feel if a family ignored the NWS warnings based on what EPAWA said and ended up losing a child or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MillvilleWx Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 That was a very irresponsible post by EPAWA. It's one thing to down play a winter weather advisory of 1-2" of snow, but a Tornado watch? The parameters around Philly/SEPA toward Jersey were good for instability. Idk where they got this snow pack, cold temperature idea from. Like was said before, it was around 60 in Philly. Northern Delaware was upper 60's. SPC Meso showed area of greatest instability in those areas. Smh. You don't play chicken with severe weather Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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