Allsnow Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Did NYC get below 0? Did we set daily or monthly records? No to the below 0, and one daily low max. We have been below normal for the entire winter. Bdr,JFK, lga, ewr have all set records of some type this winter. You have continue to be wrong on the strength on the cold air all year. That artic blast in January you said would be nothing special, yet NYC was 3 at 10am. You also said NYC would not get to a single digit low at the end February wrong! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allsnow Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Where I grew up we average around 35" of snow a year, so more than here. Parts of SW VA get over 60" because of upslope snow. Okay parts of northern jersey are over that and so is sw ct. Would never want to live down there for snow, and the summers are absolutely nasty. We get that u did well in 93 woohoo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jm1220 Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 You could subdivide climate any number of which ways due to local effects-for example, two counties in PA which are literally next to each other (Somerset and Bedford) have 30" and 160" snow averages respectively in places because of terrain effects. Lake effect snow belts have numerous shaft vs. bonanza spots. But no one would say that NYC has a similar climate to Jacksonville, FL or New Orleans, and a different one than Boston, who we are beating this year in snowfall and have beaten twice more in the past decade. That's just completely foolish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jm1220 Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 No to the below 0, and one daily low max. We have been below normal for the entire winter. Bdr,JFK, lga, ewr have all set records of some type this winter. You have continue to be wrong on the strength on the cold air all year. That artic blast in January you said would be nothing special, yet NYC was 3 at 10am. You also said NYC would not get to a single digit low at the end February wrong! He's not the only one who busted on the late Feb cold, so did I. The heat island really is a major contributor to warmth in the urban areas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian5671 Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 21 degrees and a wind chill near zero right now here. Impressive for 3/13 at 11am Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Sun angle ftl today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HailMan06 Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 You could subdivide climate any number of which ways due to local effects-for example, two counties in PA which are literally next to each other (Somerset and Bedford) have 30" and 160" snow averages respectively in places because of terrain effects. Lake effect snow belts have numerous shaft vs. bonanza spots. But no one would say that NYC has a similar climate to Jacksonville, FL or New Orleans, and a different one than Boston, who we are beating this year in snowfall and have beaten twice more in the past decade. That's just completely foolish.I certainly see your point here and obviously we don't have the same climate as the Gulf Coast. I don't think anyone here is arguing that we have the same exact climate as the Gulf Coast but the fact remains that under Köppen we fall under the same climate classification. We can have a separate discussion on how the subtropical climate is defined since IMO would be more productive to discuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEG NAO Posted March 13, 2014 Author Share Posted March 13, 2014 And the ones insulting my intelligence would be exempt? If people want to come out firing, they better be able to take the response. the first person who wrote a personal attack should be suspended - the proper way to handle the situation is to report the person and not reply - the moderators should be doing their jobs......IMO have to clean up dodge before the next busy season - to help restore the reputation of this forum and make it a fun place to come too not a stress event........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forkyfork Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Pazzo just got owned by William no he didn't. numbers are numbers. nyc is humid subtropical because the coldest month doesn't average below 0c Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow1 Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Steve d says this storm will not be major. Just some light snow after seeing the 12z GFS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDMK6GLI Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Steve d says this storm will not be major. Just some light snow after seeing the 12z GFS. LOL at steve d putting stock in the GFS outside of 3-4 days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormlover74 Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Steve d says this storm will not be major. Just some light snow after seeing the 12z GFS. Sure everyone will say that after the 3/2-3 bust Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthShoreWx Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 If you were to average the year round temperature between here and Syosset it would roughly be a wash I think. That is probably true due to cooler summer days in LB. However, I'm not so sure the summer nights are cooler in LB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BxEngine Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 How do people not realize that arguing #climo and also saying this will miss south make literally zero sense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthShoreWx Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 there's a southern magnolia in a Brooklyn that dates back to the 1800's. That tree has survived more than one bout of near zero degree days and -15 nights. Impressive for a southern tree. It certainly proves nothing with respect to the Koppen debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthShoreWx Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 The growing season at places like LGA or some other stations may in fact be 240 days...not that different from Norfolk, VA...but again...is a local artificially modified climate supposed to cause a misunderstanding of the climate of the overall region? It is very significant if you are going to plow under a runway and plant cotton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormlover74 Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 How do people not realize that arguing #climo and also saying this will miss south make literally zero sense? I don't think people understand what climo means Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BxEngine Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 I don't think people understand what climo means Yeah im leaning that way lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BxEngine Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Im really torn between wanting a cool march storm and wanting to play golf and baseball. Ugh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormlover74 Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Im really torn between wanting a cool march storm and wanting to play golf and baseball. Ugh The good news is we can get a big snow and it will mostly be gone in 3-4 days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnoSki14 Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 I don't think people understand what climo means They don't, they ignore the pattern and just use the law of averages basically. If climo were always right then NYC would be seeing about 25-30" instead of nearly 60", places like Chicago and Detroit would be much warmer and far less snowy this winter than they are if the climo argument kept getting thrown out there. What about on the opposite site of that spectrum with winter like 2001-2002 and 2011-2012, what about using climo then. How about the extremely anomalous warmth of March 2012 or storms like Sandy. To me it's about the pattern in place then just basic climo, sure using climo in March yields higher temperatures than January in general but during anomalous events, you can't always bet on climo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WintersGrasp Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 i think this is more like a 36 to 42 inch snowfall. we're long overdue for the 1 in 350 year event. and the canadian has been hinting at just such an event (on and off) for the last 30 years.... and now we're just about inside 4 days. Sorry for asking for such specifics.....but do you know which areas will get the higher amounts of 42"? Not that I'd be unhappy with 36", but of course I'd rather get the higher amounts!! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongBeachSurfFreak Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 No way-none of us have a subtropical climate. Would you honestly say that anywhere near Long Island has a similar climate to places like New Orleans or even the VA Tidewater, where palm trees grow naturally? Those areas are considered subtropical too. Tropical is south of Tampa, FL.I was kinda stirring the pot. Obviously the lb overall temps are similar to the rest of li.I think a better measure would be to use hardiness zones. A place like laurel hollow or the pine barrens are going to be a zone lower then lb and NYC. The coldest temps in lb/NYC during the last decade have been around zero. Out and up there it's more like -15. That has an effect on what can and can't grow in a given area. The southern magnolia comment is valid. In an urban sheltered environment the tree made it through some serious cold. IMO It wouldn't stand a chance out in the pine barrens (not accounting for soil differences) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonClaw Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 In regards to another thread: STOP quoting the trolls! The Ignore function is rendered useless! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pazzo83 Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 No to the below 0, and one daily low max. We have been below normal for the entire winter. Bdr,JFK, lga, ewr have all set records of some type this winter. You have continue to be wrong on the strength on the cold air all year. That artic blast in January you said would be nothing special, yet NYC was 3 at 10am. You also said NYC would not get to a single digit low at the end February wrong! I was wrong about the end of Feb, yes. To be fair, I never said the cold outbreak at the end of Jan would be "nothing special". I was ranting about the absurd histrionics coming from the media as if it was the end of the world. That being said, I don't think the strength of this winter changes the fact that the immediate NYC metro area is technically in the northern fringes of a subtropical climate zone. No one month for any NYC station averages below 32F. We have short, moderately cold winters and hot, humid summers. The proximity to the ocean + the urban heat island effects make the climate much more moderate than places immediately to the north or west. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pazzo83 Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 That tree has survived more than one bout of near zero degree days and -15 nights. Impressive for a southern tree. It certainly proves nothing with respect to the Koppen debate. Even palm trees can survive short term exposure to extreme cold. It's the day-after-day below freezing temps that render environments hostile for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forkyfork Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 I was ranting about the absurd histrionics coming from the media as if it was the end of the world.people kept throwing 94 around yet the severity of the cold wasn't close Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cfa Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 That tree has survived more than one bout of near zero degree days and -15 nights. Impressive for a southern tree. It certainly proves nothing with respect to the Koppen debate. It doesn't prove anything as far as the climate debate goes, but it shows that NYC is fully capable of supporting subtropical flora, even before the heat island. If subzero temperatures were the norm, as they are in continental climates, the tree wouldn't have lasted over 100 years (and counting). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forkyfork Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 people kept throwing 94 around yet the severity of the cold wasn't close this winter was impressive for the duration of below normal temps... funny how we keep getting persistent blocking patterns Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pazzo83 Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 this winter was impressive for the duration of below normal temps... funny how we keep getting persistent blocking patterns Yep, that is the remarkable thing. Not necessarily the severity but the long duration. Lots of "# of days" records set in the upper midwest, like Green Bay setting its own record for # of subzero days, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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