jm1220 Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 We will see another snowstorm early next week, the pna and MJO favor it, it's happening. ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juliancolton Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Weighing heavily on this although the ensembles and control do show something noteworthy. Its mid march next weekn why would we want to be hoping for snowstorms after yesterdays awesome day in the 60's? Because different folks dig different things, I'd say. I'm not sure why some are so bent on making everybody fall on the same page wrt rooting on the warm season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDMK6GLI Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 ok A mikehobbyist type confident call Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NycStormChaser Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Avg high is nearing 50. Let go, it's been a great winter. Still early for warm temps. Yeah this winter is on it's last leg. Let's start tracking thunderstorms! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 We will see another snowstorm early next week, the pna and MJO favor it, it's happening. Quite possible. First it was the mid atlantic, now areas inland and New England. Next will be us. Yeah this winter is on it's last leg. Let's start tracking thunderstorms! Winter for me ends middle April. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pazzo83 Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Quite possible. First it was the mid atlantic, now areas inland and New England. Next will be us. Winter for me ends middle April. LMAO, you live in a subtropical climate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jm1220 Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 LMAO, you live in a subtropical climate. I'd say that's debatable. Technically, the Gulf Coast is also in a subtropical climate-we have nothing like their climate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDMK6GLI Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 I'd say that's debatable. Technically, the Gulf Coast is also in a subtropical climate-we have nothing like their climate. This isnt sub tropical climate in the least. I think its more a temperate climate here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pazzo83 Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 I'd say that's debatable. Technically, the Gulf Coast is also in a subtropical climate-we have nothing like their climate. Technically, the 5 boroughs and Long Island have a subtropical climate according to the Koppen classification. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsentropicLift Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 2 fatalities confirmed per NBC News with building explosion. Many people are missing and over a dozen are injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 I have the Purim detail starting tomorrow through Sunday. Working on my RDO on Sunday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravensrule Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 I have the Purim detail starting tomorrow through Sunday. Working on my RDO on Sunday Don't drink to much Ant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongBeachSurfFreak Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Check out the Ccb near buffalo pretty sweet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momza Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Mid march and still tracking potential winter storms here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pamela Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Technically, the 5 boroughs and Long Island have a subtropical climate according to the Koppen classification. People sometimes ask me why I continue to post here...my reply is rather concise & laconic...I just find it thoroughly impossible to permit flat out misrepresentation of reality to go unchallenged. I'm well acquainted with the Koppen Classification System having studied climatology in college. The Koppen system is predicated upon a series of thresholds...number of months the mean temperature in a certain location exceeds a certain level, number of months the mean temperature falls below a certain level, and so on. With regards to humid vs arid, precip thresholds are likewise the criteria of choice. When the quoted poster states that "the 5 boroughs and Long Island" have a "sub-tropical" climate per the climate system...he says so with a know-it all brashness intended to quash debate from here on in; he has cited an arcane and not particularly well known climate system (not particularly well known here as the emphasis here is on meteorology rather than climatology...though, of course, professional climatologists are very familiar with Koppen)...and since it is unfamiliar to most, few will be willing or able to argue the contrary...they will simply accept what has been stated as incontrovertible truth. If one were to go strictly by the numbers (and I believe the latest Koppen Charts are based on 1981-2010 data)...it is indeed true that La Guardia Airport...because of the exceptional urban heat island effect that badly distorts their climatological record...does manage to fall just under the outer threshold of the so called sub tropical climate...the remarkably high means recorded at LGA have pushed NYC into the same climate zone that Houston, Texas is designated under. Not too many people would reasonably argue that the climates of Houston & NYC are similar...but when you allow distorted & unrepresentative data as is recorded at LGA into the climate datatbase...this is the result. The quoted poster's lumping of poor Long Island into the mix are either a result of a steady drumbeat of north & west of the city training since childhood, a misreading of the maps (the sub -tropical classification is generally only around the immediate NYC environs), or simply looking at some less than carefully drawn maps...which, like so many isothermal profiles one sees on so-called "national weather maps"...we simply draw the isotherms in a north / south orientation as we approach the East Coast because of all that hot water sitting offshore...in this case...the sub-tropical zone is drawn the same way...straight up the coast. The temperature statistics from the (few) reliable Long Island stations place the area in what I have always deemed a modified continental climate (warm summer, short & moderately cold winter).... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rsteff Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 People sometimes ask me why I continue to post here...my reply is rather concise & laconic...I just find it thoroughly impossible to permit flat out misrepresentation of reality to go unchallenged. I'm well acquainted with the Koppen Classification System having studied climatology in college. The Koppen system is predicated upon a series of thresholds...number of months the mean temperature in a certain location exceeds a certain level, number of months the mean temperature falls below a certain level, and so on. With regards to humid vs arid, precip thresholds are likewise the criteria of choice. When the quoted poster states that "the 5 boroughs and Long Island" have a "sub-tropical" climate per the climate system...he says so with a know-it all brashness intended to quash debate from here on in; he has cited an arcane and not particularly well known climate system (not particularly well known here as the emphasis here is on meteorology rather than climatology...though, of course, professional climatologists are very familiar with Koppen)...and since it is unfamiliar to most, few will be willing or able to argue the contrary...they will simply accept what has been stated as incontrovertible truth. If one were to go strictly by the numbers (and I believe the latest Koppen Charts are based on 1981-2010 data)...it is indeed true that La Guardia Airport...because of the exceptional urban heat island effect that badly distorts their climatological record...does manage to fall just under the outer threshold of the so called sub tropical climate...the remarkably high means recorded at LGA have pushed NYC into the same climate zone that Houston, Texas is designated under. Not too many people would reasonably argue that the climates of Houston & NYC are similar...but when you allow distorted & unrepresentative data as is recorded at LGA into the climate datatbase...this is the result. The quoted poster's lumping of poor Long Island into the mix are either a result of a steady drumbeat of north & west of the city training since childhood, a misreading of the maps (the sub -tropical classification is generally only around the immediate NYC environs), or simply looking at some less than carefully drawn maps...which, like so many isothermal profiles one sees on so-called "national weather maps"...we simply draw the isotherms in a north / south orientation as we approach the East Coast because of all that hot water sitting offshore...in this case...the sub-tropical zone is drawn the same way...straight up the coast. The temperature statistics from the (few) reliable Long Island stations place the area in what I have always deemed a modified continental climate (warm summer, short & moderately cold winter).... wow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan76 Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Just wondering where sub-tropic climate ends in the NE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PB GFI Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 People sometimes ask me why I continue to post here...my reply is rather concise & laconic...I just find it thoroughly impossible to permit flat out misrepresentation of reality to go unchallenged. I'm well acquainted with the Koppen Classification System having studied climatology in college. The Koppen system is predicated upon a series of thresholds...number of months the mean temperature in a certain location exceeds a certain level, number of months the mean temperature falls below a certain level, and so on. With regards to humid vs arid, precip thresholds are likewise the criteria of choice. When the quoted poster states that "the 5 boroughs and Long Island" have a "sub-tropical" climate per the climate system...he says so with a know-it all brashness intended to quash debate from here on in; he has cited an arcane and not particularly well known climate system (not particularly well known here as the emphasis here is on meteorology rather than climatology...though, of course, professional climatologists are very familiar with Koppen)...and since it is unfamiliar to most, few will be willing or able to argue the contrary...they will simply accept what has been stated as incontrovertible truth. If one were to go strictly by the numbers (and I believe the latest Koppen Charts are based on 1981-2010 data)...it is indeed true that La Guardia Airport...because of the exceptional urban heat island effect that badly distorts their climatological record...does manage to fall just under the outer threshold of the so called sub tropical climate...the remarkably high means recorded at LGA have pushed NYC into the same climate zone that Houston, Texas is designated under. Not too many people would reasonably argue that the climates of Houston & NYC are similar...but when you allow distorted & unrepresentative data as is recorded at LGA into the climate datatbase...this is the result. The quoted poster's lumping of poor Long Island into the mix are either a result of a steady drumbeat of north & west of the city training since childhood, a misreading of the maps (the sub -tropical classification is generally only around the immediate NYC environs), or simply looking at some less than carefully drawn maps...which, like so many isothermal profiles one sees on so-called "national weather maps"...we simply draw the isotherms in a north / south orientation as we approach the East Coast because of all that hot water sitting offshore...in this case...the sub-tropical zone is drawn the same way...straight up the coast. The temperature statistics from the (few) reliable Long Island stations place the area in what I have always deemed a modified continental climate (warm summer, short & moderately cold winter).... In fairness Chris isn't from here so he doesn't know the micro climate of the north shore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongBeachSurfFreak Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 In fairness Chris isn't from here so he doesn't know the micro climate of the north shore.We are constantly talking about the north shore vs south shore climate difference on here. It was especially obvious this winter. To break it down further the hilly and wealthy areas (thus more rural) radiate much better then surrounding locations. I would put extreme sw Nassau aka long beach in the subtropical zone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEG NAO Posted March 13, 2014 Author Share Posted March 13, 2014 Anybody have any ideas on how to improve this forum in time for next winter ? It is obvious this place needs improvements since every main thread ends up turning into a pissing contest with basically the same cast of characters involved in the nonsense every thread - some of these threads are impossible to follow with very little moderation going on.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormlover74 Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Anybody have any ideas on how to improve this forum in time for next winter ? It is obvious this place needs improvements since every main thread ends up turning into a pissing contest with basically the same cast of characters involved in the nonsense every thread - some of these threads are impossible to follow with very little moderation going on.......... Yeah all posts go in banter until a threat is under 5 days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEG NAO Posted March 13, 2014 Author Share Posted March 13, 2014 Yeah all posts go in banter until a threat is under 5 days I agree with that one - no storm thread should be open prior to 5 days in advance - Sickman originally came up with that idea a few days ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormlover74 Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 I agree with that one - no storm thread should be open prior to 5 days in advance - Sickman originally came up with that idea a few days ago. So far the march 17-20 thread has remained civil but in a couple days if the threat is still alive and we have model mayhem we know it has a chance to spiral out of control Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsentropicLift Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 We do have a general March thread that can be used to discuss threats more than say six days out. Serious discussion belongs there rather than here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsentropicLift Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 So far the march 17-20 thread has remained civil but in a couple days if the threat is still alive and we have model mayhem we know it has a chance to spiral out of controlThis one looks like snow or nothing. It only gets bad when we have snow someplace and rain in others or if NW areas get the shaft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormlover74 Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 This one looks like snow or nothing. It only gets bad when we have snow someplace and rain in others or if NW areas get the shaft. No it gets bad when all the models but one say no and people hold on to that one model and the naysayers come in and make fun, people get offended etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEG NAO Posted March 13, 2014 Author Share Posted March 13, 2014 So far the march 17-20 thread has remained civil but in a couple days if the threat is still alive and we have model mayhem we know it has a chance to spiral out of control it has turned into a pissing contest between a few individuals - check out the last few posts there - my opinion is when that happens the individuals involved in the personal attacks should be suspended till the potential storm is over Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsentropicLift Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 No it gets bad when all the models but one say no and people hold on to that one model and the naysayers come in and make fun, people get offended etc.I think it's just that some people here can't bare to see some area close by get snow and not here. So people downplay those storms as non events. That pisses people like me off. It portrays arrogance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pamela Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Just wondering where sub-tropic climate ends in the NE. IMO the proper place to start it would be right around Salisbury, Maryland on the Delmarva Peninsula...draw a line down oh about halfway between DC & Richmond...then maybe over towards Nashville. All places above the 1000' elevation contour in the Southern Appalachians could not be considered sub tropical...they would have to be specially designated for altitude and probably thrown in with the humid continental group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jm1220 Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 We are constantly talking about the north shore vs south shore climate difference on here. It was especially obvious this winter. To break it down further the hilly and wealthy areas (thus more rural) radiate much better then surrounding locations. I would put extreme sw Nassau aka long beach in the subtropical zone No way-none of us have a subtropical climate. Would you honestly say that anywhere near Long Island has a similar climate to places like New Orleans or even the VA Tidewater, where palm trees grow naturally? Those areas are considered subtropical too. Tropical is south of Tampa, FL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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