CoastalWx Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 How pathetic that the only NB weather for the last few months as been in Japan and the UK. The sting jet research is pretty fascinating. Yeah it is. Sandy and the big NH wind event in 2010 had this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT Rain Posted October 26, 2013 Author Share Posted October 26, 2013 Yeah it is. Sandy and the big NH wind event in 2010 had this. Didn't realize they both did. Interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 Didn't realize they both did. Interesting. Well to clarify it may not have exactly been text book, but when these systems start to wrap colder air around the center you get the enhanced thermal gradient and sting jet. Tropopause folding is sometimes associated with this as well. In fact, I believe Ryan Maue posted a nice example of this from Sandy. Also, CAA just aloft aids in mixing. Think warm seclusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typhoon Tip Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 Well to clarify it may not have exactly been text book, but when these systems start to wrap colder air around the center you get the enhanced thermal gradient and sting jet. Tropopause folding is sometimes associated with this as well. In fact, I believe Ryan Maue posted a nice example of this from Sandy. Also, CAA just aloft aids in mixing. Think warm seclusion. From what I've read on them they really just seem like macro-bursts on steroids, but obvious created for different causes.. the end result is the same. Cyclone enters a period of rapid intensification (bombogenesis) and the flow becomes asymmetric/unbalanced in the mid-levels, such that the flow becomes ageostrophic. This "gulped" air into the backside is often alien to the storm structure/thermo-dynamics (drier air), causing massive parcels to rapidly evaporate their moisture content. The air contained thus becomes unstable below the isentropes and falls under gravity, freely. I have often wondered what tropospheric folding's role played in this. Because by definition the mixing of lower stratospheric air would also be very very dry, and causing large, rapid evaporation and unstable negative CAPE phenomenon (one would think) would almost have to occur. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 From what I've read on them they really just seem like macro-bursts on steroids, but obvious created for different causes.. the end result is the same. Cyclone enters a period of rapid intensification (bombogenesis) and the flow becomes asymmetric/unbalanced in the mid-levels, such that the flow becomes ageostrophic. This "gulped" air into the backside is often alien to the storm structure/thermo-dynamics (drier air), causing massive parcels to rapidly evaporate their moisture content. The air contained thus becomes unstable below the isentropes and falls under gravity, freely. I have often wondered what tropospheric folding's role played in this. Because by definition the mixing of lower stratospheric air would also be very very dry, and causing large, rapid evaporation and unstable negative CAPE phenomenon (one would think) would almost have to occur. Yes the sinking or downward motion aspect is definitely there as well. You can see these features nicely on WV too as the drier air tries to wrap in from the SW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moneypitmike Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 Nice fall-like day out there today. Blustery through leaf-less trees and lots of wood smoke in the air. 45.6/26, gusting much higher than the recorded 14mph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 A fine Saturday. Its a clipper flipper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitchnick Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 A fine Saturday. Its a clipper flipper. IMG_7357_edited-1.jpg how I love it when the sky gets so dark when it snows of course, some of that in that pick is b/c the mts are in the background (I believe), but it is sooo cool to see Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WxUSAF Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 MEdian first freeze date: BOS: 11/9 ORH: 10/16 RIC: 10/31 ORH sounds about what I would have guessed off the top of my head. Didn't think BOS was that late. Water and urban heat island combo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moneypitmike Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 A fine Saturday. Its a clipper flipper. IMG_7357_edited-1.jpg Looks great Scott. What's temp there in town? We must be getting some really finedroplets on occassion here. Stacking wood and getting in in the face--felt just like snow but way too warm for that. I'll let your picture allow me to pretend. 46.5/42 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baroclinic Zone Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 heavy leaf peltage today. damn cold at the soccer field this am at 8am. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 ORH sounds about what I would have guessed off the top of my head. Didn't think BOS was that late. Water and urban heat island combo? Boston sucks, right on the water out in the bay. Just inland its much earlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HIPPYVALLEY Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 Boston sucks, right on the water out in the bay. Just inland its much earlier. Maybe we could launch an email campaign asking why they (NOAA) have their only official Boston station in the place that is warmest in the winter and coldest in the summer? I always liked the idea of an official station somewhere on Boston Common. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moneypitmike Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 Maybe we could launch an email campaign asking why they (NOAA) have their only official Boston station in the place that is warmest in the winter and coldest in the summer? I always liked the idea of an official station somewhere on Boston Common. Does it really need to be in the city itself? You could probably find a better representative position if you'd look outside. A similar scenario would be in place with ORH. Yes, it is Worcester, but the conditions at the airport or very likely different than those in downtown. Probably not too dissimilar to what I have more frequently than not here in relation to downtown Greenfield. What's happening east of I-190 vs. west of I-190 are different animals. 48.5/26 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N. OF PIKE Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 Ya MPM that ORH really isnt representative of the city, more the towns like holden and paxton and a cpl weenie hills >850 or so in city Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowman21 Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 Maybe we could launch an email campaign asking why they (NOAA) have their only official Boston station in the place that is warmest in the winter and coldest in the summer? I always liked the idea of an official station somewhere on Boston Common. The official stations are ASOSes, and unfortunately those have to be located at airports since their primary purpose is air traffic safety. There's always the co-ops and the CRN for basic temp/precip climatology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 Euro ensembles aren't overly impressive today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ineedsnow Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 congrats to whoever sees some tonight OVERNIGHT...APPROACHING SHORT WAVE AND COLD FRONT CROSS INTO THEAREA...THESE FEATURES BRING MOSTLY CLOUDY SKIES AND SHOULD PRODUCEISOLATED TO SCATTERED SHOWERS. DEEP MOISTURE IS LACKING AND LOWLEVEL CONVERGENCE IS WEAK...SO RAINFALL AMOUNTS ARE EXPECTED TO BELIGHT.OVERNIGHT LOWS ARE MAINLY IN THE UPPER 30S TO MID 40S...HOWEVER INTHE FAR INTERIOR TEMPERATURES SHOULD DIP INTO THE MID 30S IN SOMELOCALES. THERE IS A POSSIBILITY THAT A FEW FLURRIES MAY FALL INA PORTION OF THE INTERIOR OVERNIGHT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toronto blizzard Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 Euro ensembles aren't overly impressive today.In what sense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 In what sense? Just saying looked like nothing special. Maybe near to slightly below. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 In what sense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joey2002 Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 Just saying looked like nothing special. Maybe near to slightly below. Deep deep winter. -blizz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 Deep deep winter. -blizzwe go back below normal and the following week looks like we finally have something strong to track, could be an interior elevation fun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toronto blizzard Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 Just saying looked like nothing special. Maybe near to slightly below. Oh ok. I thought they lost the -EPO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 Oh ok. I thought they lost the -EPO No they didn't. We will be battling SE ridge I think. It's important for people to realize its November however. I wouldn't be talking about winter wx like it were December. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 No they didn't. We will be battling SE ridge I think. It's important for people to realize its November however. I wouldn't be talking about winter wx like it were December.all I want is one storm of 1 inch plus, then lock it up. Mega good juju. Getting excited about winter. Its been a long time of boring, won't be long at all. My winter's usually start at traditional date of 12/21 while interior els begin Met winter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 Scooter check your PM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 It was a snowy day up at SLK based on these observations... First 1/2sm obs I've seen this year from an ASOS. We got down to 0.75sm this morning in snow at MVL, but couldn't get all the way to moderate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowman21 Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 It was a snowy day up at SLK based on these observations... First 1/2sm obs I've seen this year from an ASOS. We got down to 0.75sm this morning in snow at MVL, but couldn't get all the way to moderate. image.jpg That's awesome. I need to move! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toronto blizzard Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 No they didn't. We will be battling SE ridge I think. It's important for people to realize its November however. I wouldn't be talking about winter wx like it were December. Yes that's important to note but as long as we are seeing the pattern that is being projected that's good to see Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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