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December 26-27 Winter Storm Part 2


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18z nam HAMMERS indy...findlay...mansfield. Certain closer to cmh will have to deal with pingers. At least its the most northern solution so far. and coldest run so far.

If that run verified with 60% of the QPF it showed I would be extremely happy. Interesting to see it pull at least a partial phase again... that's what most of us wanted to see rather than a cutoff sliding off into oblivion

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Does PAH and IND have differing blizzard criteria?

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Not that I know of. Blizzard is blizzard...different than an ordinary Winter Storm Watch.

Looking at fcst soundings from the area, conditions look pretty similar in both areas in terms of snowfall rates and wind. I think both regions will either meet it or they won't...not 1 and 1.

NWS Directive on criteria - http://www.nws.noaa.gov/directives/sym/pd01005013curr.pdf

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Yeah, they've got chafed thighs they ride the GGEM so hard.

Its a bold call but a majority of the models all show atleast over 4 inches with the lowest being around 6 inches. Then again they overestimated GHD 2011, so lets hope they underestimate this storm haha.

18z looks amazing and nice phasing. Tonights 0z and tomorrows 12z runs will be crucial, phasing and track is key.

Any preliminary thoughts Canuck?

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Well canuck, you can join Alek and I for the "going for yet another futility-record" camp. I thought the 12Z were going to be decisive, but man, that was an understatement. The only thing going is that the critical jet streak in question won't be fully onshore until tonight, but if you wanted big snows, the 12Z definitely wasn't what you wanted to see as far as a trend is concerned.

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Include me in that! Haven't seen crap this winter!

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Its a bold call but a majority of the models all show atleast over 4 inches with the lowest being around 6 inches. Then again they overestimated GHD 2011, so lets hope they underestimate this storm haha.

18z looks amazing and nice phasing. Tonights 0z and tomorrows 12z runs will be crucial, phasing and track is key.

Any preliminary thoughts Canuck?

Honestly, it seems with this storm very minor details in the mid and upper levels are going to have a huge impact on our sensible weather. Look at the 18z RGEM. Looks like it wants to drag the sfc low in NC at 18z Wed :axe:

Even though I'm busting their chops, I think EC has it right at this point with the more cautious approach.

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ROFL. 18z NAM is back to 7-10 inches with a couple of spots at 12 inches in Southern Ontario.

30 minutes from Hamilton

* TIMING...LATE WEDNESDAY AFTERNOON THROUGH EARLY THURSDAY

AFTERNOON.

* HAZARDS...HEAVY SNOW.

* ACCUMULATIONS...STORM TOTALS UP TO A FOOT OR MORE POSSIBLE.

* IMPACTS...HEAVY SNOW ACCUMULATIONS WILL CREATE HAZARDOUS DRIVING

CONDITIONS.

* FORECASTER CONFIDENCE...HIGH CONFIDENCE ON SIGNIFICANT SNOW

ACCUMULATIONS.

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Honestly, it seems with this storm very minor details in the mid and upper levels are going to have a huge impact on our sensible weather. Look at the 18z RGEM. Looks like it wants to drag the sfc low in NC at 18z Wed :axe:

Even though I'm busting their chops, I think EC has it right at this point with the more cautious approach.

Yeah i agree. Any slight changes even within 24 hours can have a impact but i think by 12z runs tomorrow the picture will become more clearer. Tonights 0z runs will have this storm fully sampled so i rather wait to see those runs.

Its a cautious approach, yes, at this point i think 3-5 inches is reasonable as well.

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30 minutes from Hamilton

* TIMING...LATE WEDNESDAY AFTERNOON THROUGH EARLY THURSDAY

AFTERNOON.

* HAZARDS...HEAVY SNOW.

* ACCUMULATIONS...STORM TOTALS UP TO A FOOT OR MORE POSSIBLE.

* IMPACTS...HEAVY SNOW ACCUMULATIONS WILL CREATE HAZARDOUS DRIVING

CONDITIONS.

* FORECASTER CONFIDENCE...HIGH CONFIDENCE ON SIGNIFICANT SNOW

ACCUMULATIONS.

Thanks, saw that Buffalo had issued a Winter Storm Watch. Complete disagreement at the moment between EC and NWS.

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Pretty massive spread on the SREF for the time range we're at...

SREF_Spaghetti_Low_Centers__f054.gif

That is because the primary low transfers energy to the coastal low, both clusters are respectfully representing individual low pressure systems, they are not the same. The low in Northeast Kentucky begins to transfer to the coastal and that is why you see such a spread.

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As i expected, i now am under a watch.

URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGE

NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE WILMINGTON OH

406 PM EST MON DEC 24 2012

.A LOW PRESSURE SYSTEM IS FORECAST TO DEVELOP OVER TEXAS AND

TRACK THROUGH THE TENNESSEE VALLEY TO THE OHIO VALLEY CHRISTMAS

NIGHT INTO WEDNESDAY. AN AREA OF HEAVY SNOW IS EXPECTED TO

DEVELOP NORTHWEST OF THE LOW TRACK.

INZ058-059-066-OHZ045-046-051>056-060>062-070-071-250515-

/O.EXA.KILN.WS.A.0002.121226T0600Z-121227T0600Z/

FAYETTE IN-UNION IN-FRANKLIN IN-UNION OH-DELAWARE-MIAMI-CHAMPAIGN-

CLARK-MADISON-FRANKLIN OH-LICKING-PREBLE-MONTGOMERY-GREENE-BUTLER-

WARREN-

INCLUDING THE CITIES OF...CONNERSVILLE...LIBERTY...BROOKVILLE...

MARYSVILLE...DELAWARE...PIQUA...URBANA...SPRINGFIELD...LONDON...

COLUMBUS...NEWARK...EATON...DAYTON...XENIA...HAMILTON...LEBANON

406 PM EST MON DEC 24 2012

...WINTER STORM WATCH IN EFFECT FROM LATE TUESDAY NIGHT THROUGH

LATE WEDNESDAY NIGHT...

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN WILMINGTON HAS ISSUED A WINTER

STORM WATCH...WHICH IS IN EFFECT FROM LATE TUESDAY NIGHT THROUGH

LATE WEDNESDAY NIGHT.

* HAZARD TYPES...HEAVY SNOW.

* ACCUMULATIONS...SNOW ACCUMULATION OF 4 TO 6 INCHES. SLEET MAY

MIX WITH THE SNOW ON WEDNESDAY.

* TIMING...SNOW IS EXPECTED TO DEVELOP AFTER 1 AM CHRISTMAS

NIGHT AND CONTINUE THROUGH WEDNESDAY BEFORE TAPERING OFF

WEDNESDAY NIGHT.

* IMPACTS...HAZARDOUS TRAVEL CONDITIONS ARE EXPECTED DUE TO

REDUCED VISIBILITIES AND SNOW ACCUMULATIONS.

* WINDS...NORTHEAST 10 TO 20 MPH WITH GUSTS UP TO 30 MPH.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

REMEMBER...A WINTER STORM WATCH MEANS THERE IS A POTENTIAL FOR

SIGNIFICANT SNOW...THAT MAY IMPACT TRAVEL. CONTINUE TO MONITOR

THE LATEST FORECASTS.

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That is because the primary low transfers energy to the coastal low, both clusters are respectfully representing individual low pressure systems, they are not the same. The low in Northeast Kentucky begins to transfer to the coastal and that is why you see such a spread.

You're right, I guess that map isn't the best way to show it. There is a large spread though.

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