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Saturday 3/3 ...wind, rain, thunder?


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Pretty good support for a major trough digging into the West middle of this week, behind our snowstorm.

As the s/w producing our snow event gets sheared out underneath the trough swinging through eastern Canada into the straits by Thursday, there is nothing from stopping the western trough from amplifying and breaking over the Midwest, with a surface low exploding over the Great Lakes and tracking northward into Ontario. King of cutters.

Pretty sick LLJ being advertised up the east coast ... 60kt+ at 925mb.

High PWATs >1"

Very strong WAA ...temps should shoot into the 50's pretty easily in SNE.

TTs get up to around 50. Wicked strong vorticity advection as the trough approaches + forcing from the LLJ ... thunder? Definitely some heavy downpours.

Welcome to spring!

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Hey Sam...

Did you see my discussion for Saturday, by chance?

SATURDAY...UPPER LEVEL TROUGH CONTINUES TO DIG DURING THE DAY WELL W

OF THE REGION...WITH STRONG SURFACE LOW MOVING INTO CENTRAL CANADA.

SOME MODELS TRY TO DEVELOP A SECOND LOW AND MOVE ACROSS THE REGION

SAT AFTERNOON/EVENING. THIS MAY ENHANCE THE PRECIP ACROSS THE

REGION...BUT STILL SOME UNCERTAINTY ON THIS SECONDARY DEVELOPMENT AS

WELL AS ITS TRACK. FOR NOW...HAVE CARRIED AROUND 1/2 INCH OF QPF FOR

THE SAT/SAT NIGHT TIMEFRAME. WITH VERY STRONG SOUTHERLY JET /ON

ORDER OF 60-70 AT H925!/...HAVE CARRIED GUSTS UP TO AROUND 25 KT FOR

THIS PACKAGE BUT SHOULD SEE EXCELLENT MIXING AND LIKELY EVEN HIGHER

GUSTS. DID NOTE SOME INSTABILITY AS WELL...WITH TOTAL TOTALS AROUND

50 AND K INDICES INTO THE LOWER 30S. HAVE NOT MENTIONED THUNDER AT

THIS TIME...BUT SOMETHING TO DEFINITELY WATCH ESPECIALLY IF ANY OF

THESE VERY STRONG WINDS JUST OFF THE SURFACE MIX DOWN. MOS GUIDANCE

NOT HANDLING TEMPS WELL AT ALL EITHER FRI NIGHT OR SAT SO LEANED

TOWARD THE HPC GUIDANCE AS WELL AS 2M MODEL TEMPS MAINLY OFF THE

GFS. HAVE FORECASTED HIGHS MAINLY IN THE LOWER-MID 50S...BUT WOULD

NOT BE SURPRISED IN THE LEAST TO SEE THESE GOING EVEN HIGHER.

Will be back on the long term desk later today. We'll see how the models do then, eh?

--Turtle

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Hey Sam...

Did you see my discussion for Saturday, by chance?

SATURDAY...UPPER LEVEL TROUGH CONTINUES TO DIG DURING THE DAY WELL W

OF THE REGION...WITH STRONG SURFACE LOW MOVING INTO CENTRAL CANADA.

SOME MODELS TRY TO DEVELOP A SECOND LOW AND MOVE ACROSS THE REGION

SAT AFTERNOON/EVENING. THIS MAY ENHANCE THE PRECIP ACROSS THE

REGION...BUT STILL SOME UNCERTAINTY ON THIS SECONDARY DEVELOPMENT AS

WELL AS ITS TRACK. FOR NOW...HAVE CARRIED AROUND 1/2 INCH OF QPF FOR

THE SAT/SAT NIGHT TIMEFRAME. WITH VERY STRONG SOUTHERLY JET /ON

ORDER OF 60-70 AT H925!/...HAVE CARRIED GUSTS UP TO AROUND 25 KT FOR

THIS PACKAGE BUT SHOULD SEE EXCELLENT MIXING AND LIKELY EVEN HIGHER

GUSTS. DID NOTE SOME INSTABILITY AS WELL...WITH TOTAL TOTALS AROUND

50 AND K INDICES INTO THE LOWER 30S. HAVE NOT MENTIONED THUNDER AT

THIS TIME...BUT SOMETHING TO DEFINITELY WATCH ESPECIALLY IF ANY OF

THESE VERY STRONG WINDS JUST OFF THE SURFACE MIX DOWN. MOS GUIDANCE

NOT HANDLING TEMPS WELL AT ALL EITHER FRI NIGHT OR SAT SO LEANED

TOWARD THE HPC GUIDANCE AS WELL AS 2M MODEL TEMPS MAINLY OFF THE

GFS. HAVE FORECASTED HIGHS MAINLY IN THE LOWER-MID 50S...BUT WOULD

NOT BE SURPRISED IN THE LEAST TO SEE THESE GOING EVEN HIGHER.

Will be back on the long term desk later today. We'll see how the models do then, eh?

--Turtle

Excellent discussion!! Quite a system that could have a variety of weather elements. Should be a fun Saturday at storm conference!!

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BTV doesn't even mention rain in the AFD....

.SHORT TERM /6 PM THIS EVENING THROUGH SUNDAY/...

AS OF 412 AM EST FRIDAY...WEATHER BECOMES A BIT MORE COMPLEX GOING

INTO TONIGHT AND SATURDAY...AS LOW PRESSURE TRACKING OUT OF THE

LOWER MISSISSIPPI RIVER VALLEY WILL MOVE NORTHEAST THROUGH THE

GREAT LAKES REGION TONIGHT. ATTENDING WARM FRONT AND ASSOCIATED

WARM AIR ADVECTION PRECIPITATION WILL MOVE INTO THE REGION AFTER

MIDNIGHT...LIKELY CREATING SOME SLICK ROAD CONDITIONS SATURDAY MORNING.

PRECIP TYPE WILL LIKELY START AS SNOW AT THE ONSET...BUT WITH COLD

AIR AT THE SURFACE AND WARM AIR MOVING IN ALOFT PRECIP WILL CHANGE

OVER TO A MIX OF SNOW/SLEET/FZRA EARLY SATURDAY MORNING. NOT A BIG

EVENT IN REGARDS TO QPF AMOUNTS...BUT WE`RE LIKELY LOOKING AT A

GENERAL DUSTING TO 2" OF SNOW ALONG WITH UP TO A TENTH OF AN INCH

OF ICE IN SOME LOCATIONS. JUST ENOUGH TO MAKE ANY SATURDAY MORNING

TRAVEL A BIT HAZARDOUS.

AS THE LOW PULLS NORTHEAST INTO SOUTHERN QUEBEC SATURDAY MORNING...A

HUGE MID-LEVEL DRY SLOT PUSHES INTO THE REGION EFFECTIVELY SHUTTING

OFF PRECIPITATION IN THE AFTERNOON. AT THE SAME TIME THOUGH...A

STRONG 925-850MB JET PUSHES INTO THE REGION WITH SEVERAL MODELS

CONTINUING TO SHOW 50-60KTS IN THE BOUNDARY LAYER ACROSS PORTIONS

OF THE SAINT LAWRENCE VALLEY AND NORTHERN ADIRONDACKS OF NEW YORK.

SOME SIMILARITIES ARE SHOWING UP IN COMPARISON TO THE HIGH WIND

EVENT THIS PAST JANUARY IN THE ST. LAWRENCE VALLEY...THOUGH THIS

TIME THE LOW ISN`T DEEPENING THROUGH TIME AND THE STRONGEST

PRESSURE FALL COUPLET IS A LITTLE FARTHER DISPLACED NORTHWEST OF

THE REGION. STILL...THE POTENTIAL FOR STRONG AND DAMAGING WIND

GUSTS OF UP TO 60MPH EXISTS ACROSS THE SAINT LAWRENCE VALLEY

SATURDAY AFTERNOON...AND THUS A HIGH WIND WATCH HAS BEEN POSTED.

INITIAL THINKING IS THAT THIS WILL TURN OUT TO BE A HIGH-END

ADVISORY EVENT...BUT TOO CLOSE TO CALL AT THIS TIME SO WILL LET

THE NEXT SHIFT RE-EVALUATE TODAY AS NEW MODEL DATA IS GENERATED.

LOW PULLS NORTHEAST OF THE REGION SATURDAY NIGHT DRAGGING A COLD

FRONT THROUGH THE AREA LATE NIGHT INTO SUNDAY MORNING. A BROAD

UPPER TROUGH OVER THE REGION WILL PROVIDE SUPPORT FOR SOME LAKE

EFFECT AND SCATTERED SNOW SHOWERS ACROSS THE AREA SUNDAY...WITH

TEMPERATURES SLOWLY FALLING THROUGH THE DAY UNDER MODERATE COLD

AIR ADVECTION.

My P/C has 1-3" tonight and tomorrow morning followed by some light icing. Do we switch to rain at all?

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Looks like 1-2" here followed by a little IP/ZR then ending as some rain. Hopefully the secondary forms too late and my snowpack doesn't get completely drenched. Yeah, I know it gets a good torch next week, but I'd like to see if it can survive it at all.

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Looks like 1-2" here followed by a little IP/ZR then ending as some rain. Hopefully the secondary forms too late and my snowpack doesn't get completely drenched. Yeah, I know it gets a good torch next week, but I'd like to see if it can survive it at all.

If it gets drenched and freezes that night it will be bulletproof for quite a while.

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