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This might be a rare year where the NYC indicator of 4"+ snow in December will not work out regarding above average snowfall for NYC for the season. I'm not sure how they'll make up enough ground come spring. I would agree with @bluewave regarding the fact that there would have to be a NESIS KU for NYC to reach above average snowfall, and although the late-January pattern into early-February might look cold it's not a pattern that screams KU at all. If there's a viable pathway for NYC to reach above average snowfall I'd be intrigued as to how they get there—some of the more knowledgable posters can chime in here.

So...we all know why 45/47 is going after Greenland, right? Obviously, he wants to set up some weather experiments to create a semi-permanent block that shows up annually for the months of Nov-Mar. Oh man...

28.4 Had a coating of snow earlier this evening...just overcast now.

I looked at Historical snowfall records for Hagerstown dating back to 1899. We are in midst of the worst 4 year stretch in recorded history for Hagerstown. We have averaged 12 inches a year for the past 4 years . Places further south and further east have had closer to normal seasons recently but for Northern MD areas, down into the West Va panhandle it's been a brutal stretch. And I'm not exaggerating for the worst 4 year stretch on record for HGR. It's been really ,really bad. The last season above 20" was 20/21. Hagerstown area average is upper 20's

Most of you know that I'm an optimist, but even I can't help but get a little bit worried. We're wasting half of January to wait for a 7/10 highly volatile -EPO/+TNH pattern and a wild card February and March. Will it be as bad as 22-23. 19-20, 16-17, etc.? I don't think so yet.

Bit of a crazy gradient here with that storm. I think it was officially 10”, but it ramped up quick south and east. Some places south would have gotten their 3rd 20” storm in less than 3 years (this after a very slow period in the late 80s, early 90s) Mixed feelings on it overall. I lived in Oakland and had a solid foot. But obviously one of the impactful storms ever in terms of the amounts it dumped on highly populated areas. Tough to see others getting 20 and 30”

A neutral enso will offer opportunities

I have Friday off. Why couldn't this system be about 6-7 hours slower?

26 -sn here

32.2 here. Icing isn't much of a factor.

We're not going to hit La Nina on the ONI. It's going to officially be "ENSO Neutral" for the 2nd straight year.

There's no way you all can be calling this the biggest mid-winter la nina collapse when 2022-23 literally happened just a few years ago. That year, you had a deep multi-year moderate la nina to begin the season turn into an ENSO neutral by winter's end, and later transitioned into a strong el nino the following season. We barely had a la nina this year.

Im just saying that if La Niña is truly front loaded and somehow we escape Jan without any meaningful snow; it wouldn’t bode well for the back half of winter.

Well it's only Jan 6th.. I'll wait till mid February before I actually cancel winter lol.. at least get to spring training lol

St Louis averages about the same amount of annual precip as most of our area....

Yeap. It actually does.

With a -NAO & -AO & a +PNA that can override the MJO especially if it’s in low amp. Along with a -EPO. I’ll take my chances with that. MJO in phase 6-8 would be a cherry on top. If I’m right Jax or GaWx about the MJO?

Ha, I was just going to post that it’s terrible being reminded of the pain of temp watching. Good luck up there. 33.7° here.

This time 30 years ago the greatest snowstorm in my life had just begun.

That was the only location I saw folks on sleds riding trails the whole trip. Love driving across NNH, NVT to get to smuggs/Jay from western Maine in deep winter, through Crawford notch, across the CT River, then over to the northern greens- just a great, scenic winter drive every time.

Dude your posts have been atrocious. Its only early January. LA nina is about dead