December 2025 OBS and Discussion

[CPcantmeasuresnow]

3 hours ago, bluewave said:

The snowfall measurement may not be that bad considering that both LGA and NYC warmed up quite a bit at the start of the precipitation.

So they had marginal temperatures for accumulation earlier in the event.

When the cold arrived the best banding and higher rates missed to the east of NYC to LGA. Southern and Eastern Queens into Nassau and Suffolk got into the better banding. 

Probably a case of local subsidence just NW of  the best banding and marginal temperatures for accumulation. 

EWR and JFK are much more aligned with local observations. There is only one observation near central park for 3.1 and that's from a local. A local weather station measured 3 in the park at 8AM yesterday while it was snowing moderately and did so for three more hours. If this was a one time thing you let it go and say who cares, it was probably 3.5 - 4 so they made a mistake, but it happens all the time.

It's not like Central Park has a history of accurate snowfall measurements. As you probably know the Central Park Zookeeper kept the snow measurements from 1992 until 2014. That period was terrible for measurements. Most famous were the under measurement during the January 1996 and Boxing Day blizzards of 2010. Both were anywhere from 4-6 inches short looking at all reputable local measurements.

Things improved with the Conservancy from about 2015-2018 but started to go downhill again around 2019 or 2020. If it was once in a while you let it go. When it's fairly constant you have to wonder what is going on.

Just from yesterday look at the LE from the local stations around CP and you have to figure somebody's off. Temperatures were marginal at all of the stations, and the precip amounts are identical so subsidence did not come into play, so it's questionable whether either would be the reason.

NYC .51 inches 2.9 snow

JFK .53 inches 4.6 snow

EWR .52 inches 4.1 Snow

LGA .53 inches 2.6 snow

[SACRUS]

 

Snow shower/flurries quickly pushing into PA

 

[bluewave]

1 hour ago, bluewave said:

It wouldn’t be the first low snowfall measurement there. I have pointed this out in the past with multiple other posters here. The actual measurement was probably closer to the 4.0” at Newark. Thanks for posting the video. It may have been Sam Champion last year showing closer to 1” too low in one of the events where he used his own measurement.

 

21 minutes ago, CPcantmeasuresnow said:

EWR and JFK are much more aligned with local observations. There is only one observation near central park for 3.1 and that's from a local. A local weather station measured 3 in the park at 8AM yesterday while it was snowing moderately and did so for three more hours. If this was a one time thing you let it go and say who cares, it was probably 3.5 - 4 so they made a mistake, but it happens all the time.

It's not like Central Park has a history of accurate snowfall measurements. As you probably know the Central Park Zookeeper kept the snow measurements from 1992 until 2014. That period was terrible for measurements. Most famous were the under measurement during the January 1996 and Boxing Day blizzards of 2010. Both were anywhere from 4-6 inches short looking at all reputable local measurements.

Things improved with the Conservancy from about 2015-2018 but started to go downhill again around 2019 or 2020. If it was once in a while you let it go. When it's fairly constant you have to wonder what is going on.

Just from yesterday look at the LE from the local stations around CP and you have to figure somebody's off. Temperatures were marginal at all of the stations so it's questionable whether that's the reason.

NYC .51 inches 2.9 snow

JFK .53 inches 4.6 snow

EWR .52 inches 4.1 Snow

LGA .53 inches 2.6 snow

 

[Jersey_Snowhole]

Glad we were able to cash in before this upcoming boring stretch of weather 

[[email protected]]

8 hours ago, SACRUS said:

20 / 8 off a low of 13.  Clear till around noon.  Near or sub freezing today (coldest of the next 7 days).  Some flurries or snow showers later to maybe whiten up the ground re coat the snow.  A tinge warmer on Tue to / above freexing low-mid 30.s  Moderation to and above normal Wed (low - mid 40s)  Near 50 / Thu with rain developing overnighg into a warmest of the week Fri (50s) and potentially near one inch of rain to melt the snow cover.  Looks like a brief shot of colder on this coming Saturday in an overall warmer than normal period through Christmas day.   Ridge center a bit west keeping the strongest warmth to our south and west but overall near normal the period after christmas to the end of the month with the very cold to the north and warmth just to the south sandwiching the area and a storm threat to close out the period between 30 - 31.

 

Another rainy New Years Eve!

[bluewave]

Mid-December has been prime time for snow across the region since 2011.

Time Series Summary for NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP, NJ 12-01 to 12-10 snowfall 
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2025-12-10	0.1	0
2024-12-10	T	0
2023-12-10	T	0
2022-12-10	T	0
2021-12-10	T	0
2020-12-10	0.5	0
2019-12-10	2.5	0
2018-12-10	T	0
2017-12-10	4.3	0
2016-12-10	T	0
2015-12-10	0.0	0
2014-12-10	0.1	0
2013-12-10	3.1	0
2012-12-10	0.0	0
2011-12-10	0.0	0

 

Time Series Summary for ISLIP-LI MACARTHUR AP, NY 12-01 to 12-10 snowfall
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2025-12-10	T	0
2024-12-10	T	0
2023-12-10	T	0
2022-12-10	0.0	0
2021-12-10	T	0
2020-12-10	T	0
2019-12-10	1.9	0
2018-12-10	T	0
2017-12-10	1.3	0
2016-12-10	0.0	0
2015-12-10	0.0	0
2014-12-10	0.1	0
2013-12-10	1.6	0
2012-12-10	0.0	0
2011-12-10	T	0

Time Series Summary for NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP, NJ 12-11 to 12-20 snowfall
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2025-12-20	4.1	6
2024-12-20	0.3	0
2023-12-20	0.0	0
2022-12-20	0.1	0
2021-12-20	0.0	0
2020-12-20	11.4	0
2019-12-20	1.7	0
2018-12-20	T	0
2017-12-20	2.8	0
2016-12-20	3.4	0
2015-12-20	0.0	0
2014-12-20	0.2	0
2013-12-20	6.3	0
2012-12-20	0.0	0
2011-12-20	0.0	0

 

Time Series Summary for ISLIP-LI MACARTHUR AP, NY 12-11 to 12-20 snowfall
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2025-12-20	5.8	6
2024-12-20	T	0
2023-12-20	0.0	0
2022-12-20	0.4	0
2021-12-20	0.0	0
2020-12-20	7.5	0
2019-12-20	2.3	0
2018-12-20	T	0
2017-12-20	3.4	0
2016-12-20	3.2	0
2015-12-20	0.0	0
2014-12-20	0.3	0
2013-12-20	4.8	0
2012-12-20	0.0	0
2011-12-20	0.0	0

 

Time Series Summary for NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP, NJ 12-21 to 12-31 snowfall
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2024-12-31	3.2	0
2023-12-31	0.0	0
2022-12-31	T	0
2021-12-31	0.1	0
2020-12-31	0.0	0
2019-12-31	0.0	0
2018-12-31	T	0
2017-12-31	0.6	0
2016-12-31	T	0
2015-12-31	0.3	0
2014-12-31	T	0
2013-12-31	T	0
2012-12-31	1.9	0
2011-12-31	0.0	0

 

Time Series Summary for ISLIP-LI MACARTHUR AP, NY 12-21 to 12-31 snowfall
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2024-12-31	2.1	0
2023-12-31	0.0	0
2022-12-31	0.0	0
2021-12-31	0.3	0
2020-12-31	0.0	0
2019-12-31	0.0	0
2018-12-31	T	0
2017-12-31	1.3	0
2016-12-31	0.0	0
2015-12-31	T	0
2014-12-31	0.0	0
2013-12-31	1.7	0
2012-12-31	0.6	0
2011-12-31	0.0	0

[jm1220]

5 minutes ago, bluewave said:

Mid-December has been prime time for snow across the region since 2011.

Time Series Summary for NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP, NJ 12-01 to 12-10 snowfall 
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2025-12-10	0.1	0
2024-12-10	T	0
2023-12-10	T	0
2022-12-10	T	0
2021-12-10	T	0
2020-12-10	0.5	0
2019-12-10	2.5	0
2018-12-10	T	0
2017-12-10	4.3	0
2016-12-10	T	0
2015-12-10	0.0	0
2014-12-10	0.1	0
2013-12-10	3.1	0
2012-12-10	0.0	0
2011-12-10	0.0	0

 

Time Series Summary for ISLIP-LI MACARTHUR AP, NY 12-01 to 12-10 snowfall
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2025-12-10	T	0
2024-12-10	T	0
2023-12-10	T	0
2022-12-10	0.0	0
2021-12-10	T	0
2020-12-10	T	0
2019-12-10	1.9	0
2018-12-10	T	0
2017-12-10	1.3	0
2016-12-10	0.0	0
2015-12-10	0.0	0
2014-12-10	0.1	0
2013-12-10	1.6	0
2012-12-10	0.0	0
2011-12-10	T	0

Time Series Summary for NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP, NJ 12-11 to 12-20 snowfall
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2025-12-20	4.1	6
2024-12-20	0.3	0
2023-12-20	0.0	0
2022-12-20	0.1	0
2021-12-20	0.0	0
2020-12-20	11.4	0
2019-12-20	1.7	0
2018-12-20	T	0
2017-12-20	2.8	0
2016-12-20	3.4	0
2015-12-20	0.0	0
2014-12-20	0.2	0
2013-12-20	6.3	0
2012-12-20	0.0	0
2011-12-20	0.0	0

 

Time Series Summary for ISLIP-LI MACARTHUR AP, NY 12-11 to 12-20 snowfall
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2025-12-20	5.8	6
2024-12-20	T	0
2023-12-20	0.0	0
2022-12-20	0.4	0
2021-12-20	0.0	0
2020-12-20	7.5	0
2019-12-20	2.3	0
2018-12-20	T	0
2017-12-20	3.4	0
2016-12-20	3.2	0
2015-12-20	0.0	0
2014-12-20	0.3	0
2013-12-20	4.8	0
2012-12-20	0.0	0
2011-12-20	0.0	0

 

Time Series Summary for NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP, NJ 12-21 to 12-31 snowfall
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2024-12-31	3.2	0
2023-12-31	0.0	0
2022-12-31	T	0
2021-12-31	0.1	0
2020-12-31	0.0	0
2019-12-31	0.0	0
2018-12-31	T	0
2017-12-31	0.6	0
2016-12-31	T	0
2015-12-31	0.3	0
2014-12-31	T	0
2013-12-31	T	0
2012-12-31	1.9	0
2011-12-31	0.0	0

 

Time Series Summary for ISLIP-LI MACARTHUR AP, NY 12-21 to 12-31 snowfall
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2024-12-31	2.1	0
2023-12-31	0.0	0
2022-12-31	0.0	0
2021-12-31	0.3	0
2020-12-31	0.0	0
2019-12-31	0.0	0
2018-12-31	T	0
2017-12-31	1.3	0
2016-12-31	0.0	0
2015-12-31	T	0
2014-12-31	0.0	0
2013-12-31	1.7	0
2012-12-31	0.6	0
2011-12-31	0.0	0

Great to have it during the lowest sun angle of the year too so we’re not losing much of it every day like in March. 

[SACRUS]

 

NWS Mt H

 

[Krs4Lfe]

1 hour ago, Jersey_Snowhole said:

Glad we were able to cash in before this upcoming boring stretch of weather 

Looks like mild and dry throuhh end of the year. Large ridge over most of CONUS too. Doesn’t look like snow for anyone through end of the month 

[Dark Star]

2 hours ago, SACRUS said:

 

Snow shower/flurries quickly pushing into PA

 

Cloudy here, but looks like they dry up as it moves east?

[North and West]

Another rainy New Years Eve!

All right, I’ll take the bait because we’re in a boring stretch.




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[bluewave]

1 hour ago, jm1220 said:

Great to have it during the lowest sun angle of the year too so we’re not losing much of it every day like in March. 

It was just nice to finally see a widespread 4-8” clipper which used to be very common in the old days.

I wonder if we can find a way to sneak in a KU that rapidly deepens near the benchmark with some portion of the area going 12” before the end of the season?

My guess is that we will probably need at least one of these events for most spots from Newark out across Long Island to make it to closer to the long term average in the mid 20s for snowfall.

It would be nice to finally see a bounce back year after the repeated lower totals last 7 years and lack of KU events.

I have been looking at the La Niña December snowfall in more detail last few days to try to find where a cutoff may be for average to above average snowfall. Previously  used a 4” snowfall total for a rough approximation of a cutoff. Correcting for the Central Park under measurement they should be right at 4” and Newark is 4.2”. 

But all of the average to above snowfall seasons had 7.7”+in December like 2020, 2017, 2010, 2008, 2005, 2000, and 1995. The one exception was 2016. So it’s possible that the actual cutoff could be in the 4-7”range. 

It will be interesting to see how things work out the rest of the season. I am posting the Newark data below instead of NYC since they have a paid contract observer there. Even adding a bit to the NYC totals getting them closer to Newark shows the same relationship. 

15 most recent La Niña Decembers using RONI and Total Seasonal Snowfall at Newark

24-25….3.5”…..13.6”

22-23….0.1”……2.7”

21-22….0.1”……17.9”

20-21…..11.9”…45.7”

17-18…….7.7”….39.4”

16-17……3.4”….30.0”…..The one year the relationship didn’t work out

11-12……0.0…..8.8”

10-11…..24.5”…68.2”

08-09….8.3”….27.1”

07-08….3.9”….14.6”

05-06….11.0”….37.9”

00-01….14.9”….39.3”

99-00……T…….18.4”

98-99….1.2”…..12.8”

95-96….12.8”….78.4”

 

 

 

 

[wthrmn654]

2 hours ago, [email protected] said:

Another rainy New Years Eve!

You have posted this atleast 3 times already, we heard you the first 2 times. 

[[email protected]]

1 hour ago, wthrmn654 said:

You have posted this atleast 3 times already, we heard you the first 2 times. 

I will be right, about this.

[vegan_edible]

2 minutes ago, [email protected] said:

I will be right, about this

hopefully your weather predictions are as good as your grammatical skills 

[Nibor]

Cold grey wintery day in NYC.

[the_other_guy]

8 minutes ago, Nibor said:

Cold grey wintery day in NYC.

Why I truly hate Manhattan…you are so out of touch with the natural world. Its awful. But I know thats why people love it.

[Dark Star]

1 hour ago, Dark Star said:

Cloudy here, but looks like they dry up as it moves east?

Looks like it's making its way here anyway, just saw some flurries...

[MJO812]

22 minutes ago, [email protected] said:

I will be right, about this

Why

[BxEngine]

Cant tell if its flurrying or just assholes who havent cleaned off their cars. 

[North and West]

hopefully your weather predictions are as good as your grammatical skills 

.

[Big Jims Videos]

12 minutes ago, BxEngine said:

Cant tell if its flurrying or just assholes who havent cleaned off their cars. 

It's going to be a week of stay aware and alert driving on the interstates and toll roads as we'll be dodging flying ice at 70 mph.

[[email protected]]

1 hour ago, vegan_edible said:

hopefully your weather predictions are as good as your grammatical skills 

Thanks for letting me know to put an period at the end of that sentence.

[bluewave]

On 12/14/2025 at 10:55 AM, CPcantmeasuresnow said:

I know it's rare in this setup, but any chance the storm does not cut west of us? Or transfers to something developing off the coast?

Still looks like the classic cutter track. I shoveled out around my storm drains yesterday. These rain events which follow snow within a few days tend to at least cause street flooding if the storm drains still have snow over them. 
 

 

[Sundog]

2 hours ago, Nibor said:

Cold grey wintery day in NYC.

 

Truly a horrid place for snow